And here is the smoking gun in the newly released unsealed indictment

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  1. omni

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    Like how Trump tried to strong arm Ukraine into investigating his number one opponent?
     
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    Hey I know, let's just let every future President keep national security documents in their bathroom after they leave office.
     
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    No one disputes those aren't classified documents. Not even his lawyers.
     
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    I think that's the very argument they were making.... Ie yeah yeah, overlook Biden's actions and make a big deal about Trump. Heard this song before just a different tune.

    Also, fact: what Biden is acussed of doing is a 1000 times worse. What's more is that Biden also did what Trump did with "mishandling" documents.
     
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    How about the government goes and picks up the documents when the president term ends without a raid and without making it an excuse to prosecute.

    Presidents have to take their work home. They are on the clock 24/7 if anything happens. The DOJ cannot prosecute Trump for performing his duties.
     
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    Corrupt Joe Biden Arrests The Opponent That Is Leading Him In The Polls

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  7. Daniel Light

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    What "duties" did Trump have after he left office? None.
    The Records Office DID ask Trump to return all the documents. He refused. So they went after the documents.
    Now it appears that Trump ACTIVELY tried to hide documents. The initial crime would have been minor. It's the cover-up that
    is really going to get Trump in Trouble. Same with Nixon. Why is that so hard to understand?
     
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    He put them in a room with a lock provided by the FBI for them to pick it up. It's not like he could give the documents to his people or some moving company to transfer it.

    If the FBI followed through and actually did their job in retrieving them, what could/did Trump actually do to prevent them?
     
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    You honestly think that…….. yeah! Seems you do!
     
  10. Daniel Light

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    The FBI has photos of the documents in his office, his bathroom and the ball room at Mara-Lago. I've been to that ballroom for a wedding. It's wide
    open to the public.
     
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    You aren't actually answering the question.
     
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    Pretty sure it said he didn’t have clearance in the report I read.
     
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    I really can’t see how anyone who cares about the US would ever want to see trump as potus again.
     
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    Its easy to understand if you buy gas, walk city streets, buy groceries, pay billions to protect Ukraine's borders while leaving our own wide open, see homeless allover the sidewalks, feel ashamed about Biden's cowardly retreat from Afghanistan, feel upset about Biden allowing our airspace to be violated, feel threatened by Taliban terrorists being armed by Biden...
     
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    That was Biden that threatened Ukraine with holding back a billion dollars if they didn't fire the prosecutor chasing his son... nothing to do with Trump.
     
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    They were locked up. They were spread around on the bathroom floor by the FBI for a photo op.
     
  17. Patricio Da Silva

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    Read the indictment.

    Trump is toast.

    There is no evidence on Biden.

    Don't think so? Prove it.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Debunked.

    Trump is toast.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    They were in bathrooms, in the shower stall, on a ballroom stage and storage rooms. Some were spread on the floor via some kind of accident having nothing to do with
    the photo'd inventory shot.

    There were over 150 events , weddings, parties, etc., people visiting from all over the world, held at Mar A Lago from the time he left office and his indictment.

    Trump directed his cohort, Waltine Nauta, to move boxes to hide them from the FBI and from his attorneys.

    Trump is toast.

    Read the indictment.

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf
     
  20. Patricio Da Silva

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    Prove that Joe Biden is corrupt.
    Biden didn't arrest his opponent. A federal grand jury in Florida did.


    A number of western democracies have indicted their leaders. This is not 'banana republic' stuff

    1. Silvio Berlusconi (Italy): The former Prime Minister of Italy faced multiple indictments during his political career, including charges of tax evasion, corruption, and involvement with underage prostitution.

    2. Nicolas Sarkozy (France): Sarkozy, the former President of France, faced several legal issues after leaving office. In 2018, he was indicted on charges of corruption, influence-peddling, and illegal campaign financing.

    3. Ehud Olmert (Israel): Olmert, the former Prime Minister of Israel, was indicted on charges of corruption, fraud, and breach of trust. In 2014, he was sentenced to prison.

    4. Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (Brazil): Lula, the former President of Brazil, was indicted on charges of corruption and money laundering in connection with the "Operation Car Wash" investigation. He was convicted in 2017 but was released from prison in 2019.

    5. Jacob Zuma (South Africa): Zuma, the former President of South Africa, faced numerous corruption allegations during his presidency. In 2021, he was found guilty of contempt of court and sentenced to prison.
    If we let Trump get away with his crime, that would make us a banana republic


    Read the indictment.


    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf
     
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    Read the indictment. The docs were in bathrooms, shower stalls, ballroom stages, storage closets. These were highly sensitive national defense information documents.

    He tried to hide them from rhe FBI and his own attorneys. He showed them to staff and persons who did not have security clearances. He admitted they were 'secret' and were classified and stated he could not declassify them since he was no longer president. Reality Winner got 5 years for showing one document.

    37 felony counts, 7 federal violations.

    Trump is toast.

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf
     
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    I so enjoy watching all the meltdowns. Life is good.
     
  23. Patricio Da Silva

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    There was no raid. The FBI showed up and politely was invited in. they didn't wear their FBI jackets, they were dressed in golf attire so as not to create a big ruckus.
    They went out of their way to accommodate the president.

    Read the indictment. The docs were in bathrooms, shower stalls, ballroom stages, storage closets. These were highly sensitive national defense information documents.

    He tried to hide them from rhe FBI and his own attorneys. He showed them to staff and persons who did not have security clearances. He admitted they were 'secret' and were classified and stated he could not declassify them since he was no longer president. Reality Winner got 5 years for showing one document.

    37 felony counts, 7 federal violations.

    Trump is toast.

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf
     
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    Evidence please.


    Read the indictment. The docs were in bathrooms, shower stalls, ballroom stages, storage closets. These were highly sensitive national defense information documents.

    He tried to hide them from rhe FBI and his own attorneys. He showed them to staff and persons who did not have security clearances. He admitted they were 'secret' and were classified and stated he could not declassify them since he was no longer president. Reality Winner got 5 years for showing one document.

    37 felony counts, 7 federal violations.

    Trump is toast.

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf
     
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    Biden didn't indict Trump, a federal grand jury in Florida did.

    Read the indictment. The docs were in bathrooms, shower stalls, ballroom stages, storage closets. These were highly sensitive national defense information documents.

    He tried to hide them from rhe FBI and his own attorneys. He showed them to staff and persons who did not have security clearances. He admitted they were 'secret' and were classified and stated he could not declassify them since he was no longer president. Reality Winner got 5 years for showing one document.

    37 felony counts, 7 federal violations.

    Trump is toast.

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf
     
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