Andrew Yang: The entire socialism-capitalism dichotomy is out of date

How might they do that?

Like Norway?

 

Have you noticed that any proposed fix to our societal problems is called socialism or communism by many on the right???

What about Norway?

 

true capitalism did not raise our Standard of living from a relative third world economy to a first world economy.

 

socialism took us to the Moon and back, last millennium. capitalism is still waiting on a profit motive.

 

You are conflating any and all government programs with "socialism."

 

you are special pleading capitalism. Government is socialism. Why do you believe it isn't?

 

If I were "special pleading" you'd be able to quote me doing so. You either haven't reviewed what I've said or you don't know what "special pleading" means. Socialism is a system in which "the people" own the means of production.

 

Yes, I know what special pleading is.

Government of the People, by the People, and for the People.

 

Which only becomes socialism if you change the word "government" to "means of production." The profit motive is powerful, but it isn't the only motive that capitalism allows. In fact, it is rarely the primary motive of capitalist entrepreneurs.

 

A public sector is the means of production and socialism.

 

Never in the history of the world has there ever been anything that could be described as true capitalism, nor did I say there has been.

 

Mogadishu lasted a few years as an AnCap.

 

I am currently reading his book. So far it has been very interesting.

 

Yes, but I'm wondering how people on the right "might make socialism, or communism, or social democracy look attractive to the average voter."

Do you mean a "mixed system" like Norway?

 

Because if we try a mixed system and it works the youth will start to wonder what other things that we could have been doing but haven't been because of ideological warfare.

As for Norway, I don't know their system so no, that's not what I'm talking about.

 

What was the name of his book again?

 

https://www.amazon.com/War-Normal-People-Disappearing-Universal/dp/0316414247

The War on Normal People

 

Notice how intelligent some of these new candidates are, it is refreshing to see new faces with pragmatic ideas on how to solve persistent problems. What I see from listening to him is the passing of the baton from my generation to a new one and given the sorry, selfish track record of the luckiest generation in history, its about time we all just went away and retired. New voices and ideas will invigorate the party and help shape new platforms for the future. I read one article that said politics should not be about today, it must be about the future 10, 20 and 50 years. Most of us want our children to have the best possible chance of enjoying a wonderful life. Lets try to focus on that goal instead of selfish immediate goals.

 

Perhaps he knows something about political economy.

Your definition is so broad as to be useless.

 

Reading some of these posts makes me feel once again that my era has to go and die a quick death philosophically if our children have any chance of creating a better world for themselves and their children. This Cold War talk about socialism is indicative of the inability of many to see further ahead because they are stuck in the world of 1955. Like it or not, technology is a displacement vehicle that does not create more jobs for the ones it destroys. The entire basis for adopting new technologies is cost reduction and efficiency. Labor is the largest component of COGs in almost every industry. Technology is created to lower those costs, that is the sales pitch to investors and customers. Once 5G becomes reality, it will begin to destroy millions of jobs that cannot and will not be created by implementing 5G. That is just one technology. Consider data centers for instance, they are everywhere now, vast buildings of servers and fiber with hardly anyone working inside them. Sorry folks but what Yang is saying is absolutely true. His remedy is to redirect the incomes from these technologies back into the economy by distributing it to the people themselves. It is a very pragmatic solution.

 

not at all; we have a de facto duopoly of a public sector and private sector. The public sector is socialism.

 

The average voter is being fed propaganda from school age.

Hey, he wants to ban circumcision too!

 

I have no problem with banning circumcision, it is a barbaric custom whose time should expire. Just think about it for one second. I am glad I did not have any boys because it would have been very hard to watch someone cut my little child's dick in the name of tradition.

 

Boy, like a dog on a bone it seems that anything and everything is socialism to some folks.

 

Literally, this guy fits the narrative of the "Manchurian candidate". A first for Chinese intel in the US?