Another Shutdown?

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  1. ronv

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    With hospitals already filling up and the new strain showing up around the country, should we do a preemptive shutdown like we did in the spring to hold the death rate down until the vaccine starts to kick in?
    I'm trying to imagine what it would be like if our cases went up 50% over the next month like they have seen in the UK.
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Los Angeles is still imposing strict shut downs and mandates. Things are worse here!
     
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    It won't go down until they work thru Christmas and New Years cases.
     
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    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump's fault you bet your ass. At this point everything is Trump's fault until that living cadaver they call Biden is sworn in. Then everything will still be Trump's fault. See how that works?
     
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    Trump's fault? Well maybe.
    But how did you get that from the posts?
     
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    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I try
    Not from posts here but I read the NYT whenever I can get a copy and watch CNN religiously. Anderson Cooper is one of my favs.
     
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    Paranoia? Self-esteem issues?
     
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    Make no mistake, the situation is dire. We'll get overwhelmed hospitals, which will drive up not only the deaths of patients with Covid-19, but also will result in detrimental effects that will hit the health of patients with other conditions, some of whom will die.

    Just look at what the two new variants are doing in their countries of origin as compared to their neighbors (and it's inevitable that they will end up doing the same, here):

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    Now, should we lock down? Frankly, I don't even believe that we'd succeed in doing this. There is no political will; not from the politicians, and not from the people. It seems like as a country we are very invested in carrying on, minimizing and dismissing this disease as something not-so-dangerous (grave mistake). So, we're paying a price and will continue to pay a price.

    At this time I'm kind of throwing the towel on epidemiological containment measures. The populace will just not follow them. We Americans seem utterly uninterested in doing that, as evidenced by the lack of ANY educational campaign on TV like I see when I watch the international channels I subscribe to, to keep up with my language skills.

    So, our best bet is to expedite the vaccination campaign as much as we can (where is the National Guard???) and even though it's only 4 to 6 weeks after the first dose that the vaccines will start making a different therefore we're in for a very rough couple of months, the vaccines seem to be the only way to contain this thing, given that as a people we just don't seem to want to contain it in other ways.

    I'm feeling particularly discouraged today, because we just lost this morning a beloved patient of ours in our hospital, who bravely fought this disease for 3 weeks, but we couldn't save him. He expired during the night. When I came to work in the morning I learned that he was gone, and I had tears in my eyes. During our morning meeting where we plan for the day (we, meaning the senior group of physicians who accumulate clinical care and administrative oversight), when it was announced that he had passed away, everybody was silent for minutes, looking down... our chief medical officer who was presiding the meeting could barely speak. The patient was a nice gentleman who had been a patient of ours for decades for a variety of conditions; our hospital was like a second home for him, and a resource to try to keep him alive and well despite his multiple medical conditions. He was brave and always upbeat despite the hardships he went through... so many of us knew him well and liked him; he was an interesting, smart, and personable man. Another loss, another tragedy...
     
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    That is the bottom line here.
     
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    Projections that take into account our current surge in the United States but also the rollout of the vaccines (one projection for slow rollout, one for faster) tend to point to mid-February to mid-March being the peak of the pandemic for us, way worse than last spring, but then from mid-March on, things will start to come down, hopefully, if vaccine coverage becomes more widespread.

    At this point I think that a huge effort to expedite vaccine production, distribution, and actual inoculation (the "last mile") will pay off better than a lockdown, which like I said above, is unlikely to be obeyed anyway. I'd also include a huge public health educational campaign trying to reverse the notion that masks "don't work" and are a political banner. This could dampen a little the progression of the outbreak, given a bit more time for the vaccines to work.
     

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