Anti-gun bills Microstamping and fines

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here are 2 new ones. Can anyone explain how this makes law abiding citizens safer?

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/202...mselves-anti-gun-bills-scheduled-for-may-19th

    AB 2847, sponsored by Assembly Member David Chiu (D-17), revises the criteria for handguns to be certified for sale in California by requiring the microstamp to be imprinted in one place on the interior of the handgun (currently requires two imprinting locations) in addition to the other current requirements. It would further require the department to remove three certified handguns from the list for each new handgun added. It should be noted that no new semi-automatic handguns have been added to the California handgun roster since microstamping was certified in 2013. This legislation is nothing more than an effort to continue to shrink the options you have to protect yourself and your family. To read more about California's microstamping law click here.

    AB 2362, sponsored by Assembly Member Al Muratsuchi (D-66), authorizes the Department of Justice to levy monetary fines on licensed firearms dealers, in addition to the existing enforcement mechanisms which includes, up to the revocation of a dealer's license.
     
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    ChoppedLiver Well-Known Member

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    Death by a thousand cuts.

    Ban by countless worthless laws, in the case of firearm ownership.
     
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    Like all other gun control laws, these serve only to make it more difficult for the law abiding to exercise their right to keep and bear arms.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My concern is that casings taken from the range can be planted at a crime scene turning law abiding people into criminals. Even stupid criminals know how to use sandpaper on a firing pin.

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    Or replace it completely.
     
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    The technology exits now to forensically link a gun to both a bullet and a casing if a gun is recovered at a crime scene or in the possession of a suspect.
    A micro stamp, provides nothing more in the to means of linking a gun to a bullet or casing not already possible with forensic analysis. Unless, the micro stamp is recorded with the gun’s serial number and a gun registry is established that requires tracking the gun through every transfer beyond that of the initial FFL. Of course, perhaps the strategy is to normalize micros stamping, then follow up with legislation calling for a federal gun registry and tracking system to make the micro stamping fulfill the intent of the GSAs; another path to the same end of those calling for National UBCS legislation and a denial of private seller access to the NICS.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I understand the technology. How does it make you safer?
     
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    If you read between LE lines, you would see I am far from supporting the legislation; I see it as another wet dream gambit by the GCAs in trying to inch toward the creation of national gun registry along the path of the agenda of eventually disarming Americans, itself part of the strategy removing obstacles to increasing the control and power of the Elitist leftist leaders that drive the mob’s collectivist ideology. As I posted, micro stamping does nothing that can already be done, except it provides the left with a deceptive justification to push a for national gun registry, one that doesn’t just track guns, but that becomes a means to track their political opposition for obvious nefarious purposes.
     
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    When they tell you they are not for open borders and banning guns, they are lying more than they complain that Trump does.
     
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    Such cannot be explained, because the proposals do nothing to achieve such.
     
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    Newsom signed it. Now that firing pins stamp an ID to the primer, criminals will never get away with shooting someone. We better hope that criminals don't buy an illegal gun or discover sandpaper!
     
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    Wait..you sound sarcastic...? :)

    Nothing the anti-gun left does has anything to do with making it harder for criminals to get guns or preventing criminals form committing crimes with guns.
    Their intent is to make it as hard as possible for the law abiding to exercise their right to own an use firearms.
    This isn't news.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Just buy replacement firing pins.
    yep, keep a couple extras around.
     
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    And more ways to turn law abiding citizens into criminals with the stroke of a pen. All it takes is a trip to the range, pick up someone elses brass and leave it at the scene of the crime.
     
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    California has long passed swarms of anti-gun laws to erode gun ownership rights over the years, often staying one anti-gun law ahead of the long process for the laws to pass through the long process of Constitutional review of the 9th circuit and the escalation of the review at the SCOTUS. Ca law makers are aware there are no consequences for passing 2A infringement laws and count on the anti-gun agenda friendly West Coast court system and then a SCOTUS that rarely grants a writ of certiorari for 2A related cases as they stay a law ahead.
    So while, like the Energizer Bunny meme, Ca’s law makers demonstrate an ongoing strategy of trying new angles at crafting laws designed to discourage gun ownership and to test the limits of infringement trying to keep some form of anti-gun laws always on ‘the books’. If there is new idea for an anti-gun law, CA has become the willing agent for it’s tactical test. So you see a history of the proposing or enacting of laws such as the selective restricting of specific gun models that can be sold/possessed, restrictions on the importation of ammo, magazine limits, capricious ‘May’ issue CCW permits that allow only the privileged to carry, magazine limits, liberally defined ‘assault rifle’ bans, gun registration schemes, UBC... even for ammo purchases, video recording of commercial gun sales, suggested heavy tax burdens for guns and ammo, suggested requirements for costly gun ownership liability insurance, gun storage requirements, laws extending coding criminal liability for stolen guns, prohibitions of gun’s used for historic re-enactment events, and, and... CA lawmakers even go so far as to leverage environmental activism to craft laws justified by ‘concerns’ for the environment as a basis for anti-gun legislation with laws like banning lead projectiles, placing heavy regulatory compliance rules on gun ranges, and more. Any justification for any increment is considered fair game.
    There is a far more insidious strategy with some anti-gun legislation like UBC, video gun transaction, selective requirements for gun registration schemes, ammo micro tagging, and now micro stamping. While CA lawmakers understand the federal prohibition to create a national gun registration system, they know UBC and micro tagging schemes are impotent for the rational used for justification without gun registration; once passed, these laws provide a basis for justifying a need to repeal prohibition of a gun registration system so these laws can function as intended. What is intended is a means not of registering guns, but of registering gun owners which, as a group, generally considered to be a highly active, motivated voting block that is effective in opposing the left’s collectivist agenda. Such a gun owner registration list provides a means for identifying and selectively targeting members of the Left’s political opposition to intimidation and even violence to suppress them. Think such a registration system won’t be used for that purpose? Then note what was done in 2012 in New York,
    https://www.theverge.com/2012/12/25...-posts-map-with-names-addresses-of-gun-owners
    Given these times of high political division, anti policing and anti conservative the collectivist mob is being used by a handful of power seeking elitists to drive conformity to align under a guiding dogma useful to these elitists in obtaining power and driving their agenda and for them, along with their
    contrived justifications for intimidation of political opponents with mob violence, such a list of targets would be a huge prize. So, a general strategy of disarming the Left’s opposition while simultaneously providing a list of individual targets has been an evolving strategy of the Left. California, Washington State, Oregon are Leftist conclaves where specific elements of their strategy is being tested. Given their track record, CA lawmakers see little downside to the continuation of what has thus far been a successful incremental campaign Leftist domination of their State. The Leftist collective in CA is driving opposition out of the state... and that is ok with many.
     
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    Well said!
     
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    Once ACB hits the bench, there's a good chance this will change.
    This is the true fear of the left - a 5.5 to 4.5 pro-gun USSC.
     
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    We will see. Some ifs there.
    Meanwhile...
     

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