Anti-inflammatories and COVID 19?

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Do you think a good anti-inflammatory agent will help your body fight COVID 19 if you are exposed?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are a lot of good, low cost and relatively natural anti-inflammatory agents on the market. Do you think that taking a good anti-inflammatory increases the chances that even if you are exposed you may not develop really extreme symptoms?

    Even aspirin is an anti-inflammatory agent so I suppose that somebody who is religiously taking one or two aspirin per day may just be protecting themselves more than they may at first imagine.

    If the inflammatory response is the difference between regular influenza and ebola then you would think that there would be at least some benefit to takin an anti-inflammatory agent.



    "The difference between Ebola and influenza is that inflammatory response" (Dr. Joseph Ahrens after the 5:50 mark in this video:

     
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    MSM is low cost, derived from plants and is available even at Walmart.

    I've been taking it since 1999 and it seems to have really helped my immune system to fight colds and flu.


    http://www.msm-info.com/#Autoimmune

     
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    I took one COVID 19 test in July and I did not like it at all.....
    so I am resorting to rather drastic measures to ensure that I don't even develop sniffles now.

    I've been taking twenty mgms of MSM about five times per week since then. I take it in its powdered form
    so that it is easier to ingest. I take one highly digestible vitamin C capsule along with it. So far so good.... .no sniffles.... no sore throat....

    http://www.msm-info.com/#Cell Membrane

     
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    One of the theories on why smokers are underrepresented in relation to their percentage of the population in the tallies for those needing hospitalization for COVID is that nicotine is an anti-inflammatory. This has been found to be the situation in multiple countries across the globe. I was a little eye rolly when I heard China report it early on, but it has held true in the US, China, Mexico, Italy, et als.
     
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    Wow!!!!!!!! I would never in a hundred years have guessed that!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    "A review of studies by public health experts convened by WHO on 29 April 2020 found that smokers are more likely to develop severe disease with COVID-19, compared to non-smokers. COVID-19 is an infectious disease that primarily attacks the lungs. Smoking impairs lung function making it harder for the body to fight off coronaviruses and other diseases. Tobacco is also a major risk factor for noncommunicable diseases like cardiovascular disease, cancer, respiratory disease and diabetes which put people with these conditions at higher risk for developing severe illness when affected by COVID-19. Available research suggests that smokers are at higher risk of developing severe disease and death."

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    https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/11-05-2020-who-statement-tobacco-use-and-covid-19
     
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    That is along the line of what I would have guessed. I had to quit a couple of decades ago except for the occasional social cigarette. While I was smoking a pack a week..... I could almost feel my immune system getting weaker.
     
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    Yeah, I used to smoke, idiot that I am I started at 13.

    And when I finally stopped, everything got better. I could see better, food tasted good, I could run better, even sex was better.

    One of the dumbest things I ever did.
     
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    Another of the theories is that smoking may turn off one of COVID's essential receptors in the lungs so they people exposed are exposed to a much lower viral load. It is kind of low on the totem pole as to priorities to figure out exactly why this is the case as doctors aren't going to rush to the defense of smoking even under the best of circumstance, but there does seem to be strong correlation so eventually they will get around to figuring out precisely why.
     
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    Very interesting indeed!

    My older brother passed on two weeks ago and smoking played a huge role in his C.O.P.D. and liver failure. I haven't had even one social cigarette since his death. He was only sixty eight.

    I attempted to get him onto MSM over the past couple of years but it is not easy to learn a whole new good habit even if there are some immediate benefits.



    http://www.msm-info.com/#Stress

     
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    Not suggesting people do or dont. we are all going to die from something. The reference to the theory that nicotine may help because it was an noninflammatory suggested to me that other noninflammatory may help as well. Sorry about your brother, but ultimately it was his choice. Maybe smoking added something of value to his life worth shortening as far as he was concerned.
     
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    I've had a number of people like that post. Maybe I should call myself an idiot more often :)
     
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    Yes............ he greatly valued his freedom to choose to smoke.... and the timing of his death and what I learned from him in this life seems significant to me in relation to the Jewish Holy Days but that is kind of complicated and I would have to take that over to the Religion and Philosophy forum. In short....... back in 1990 I volunteered to become a Yom Kippur goat........ IF.... Messiah Yeshua - Jesus wanted somebody to do so.......... and since then my life seems to have been guided at a level that is off the scale filled with synchronicity. As my brother was in his final hours.... I prayed and asked Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to show him how he trained me and prepared me to become a volunteer Yom Kippur goat..... and be rabidly Universalist in my philosophy.

    My wife is amazingly gifted... and felt Shalom even as he passed on into the higher invisible dimensions.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/gay/christian-andreason.html#a04h

     
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    I just got back an interesting comment on this through Facebook and I am wondering what any of you think about this?


     
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    I guess it makes sense that if chemotherapy can work on a certain percentage of cancers......

    and if radiation can assist the body to kill off a certain percentage of cancers.... then it is I suppose not
    shocking that nicotine..... may have a positive effect on some types of viruses.

    I was told that the brain needs a certain amount of nicotine and the body does produce it... .but our bodies sure don't need all that tar and other substances in cigarette smoke.
     
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    Well this is low cost and rather encouraging!

     
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    the other theory is that smokers are better at clearing their lungs as they do it more, but excessive smoking negates all that

    so it's kind like drinking, moderate may be beneficial, but excess is not better

    I think the key is moderate stressors make the body stronger

    like exposing ones self to cold or heat for short durations is supposed to be good, but doing it excessively would be bad

    the sun is another example, some sun good, too much bad

    they say this is all due to epigenetics, your body get stronger to prepare for these stressors in the future
     
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    there is some foods that contain nicotine too

    https://testcountry.com/blogs/nicotine/6-common-food-with-nicotine-content

    so if is the nicotine, these maybe could help
     
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    and there is a correlation to hospitalizations, I do not think they should ignore it because don't like smoking, they can still learn from it, and the percentages are big, if a drug showed this big of a difference it would be huge

    when we ignore the science because we don't like what it's telling us, we are missing out on maybe learning something new

    maybe it's something in the smoke they breathe in, a chemical and if they isolate that, could use an inhaler like an asthma inhaler to get it into the lungs to protect them from the virus
     
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    Or it could be the smokers spend more times outdoors and with the link to vitamin D, they are getting more through sunlight exposure or because it is more ventilated. Could go either way. I doubt there is going to ever be a magic bullet cure simply because it is mutating fairly often--about 2 new strains a month on average. We are probably just looking at an eventual cocktail that gets adjusted based on the patient.
     
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    could be a lot of reasons, that is why research is needed to find the answers

    the oldest person to have ever lived was a smoker, so maybe there are some benefits as well as risks, kinda like sun exposure ....
     
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    For these past several years I've allowed myself to have a cigarette or two with my brother..... or with my son..... and I have to admit that I do really like this idea.

    Thank you immensely for this explanation. Now I have got to do some research on that word "epigenetics."
     
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    As a past smoker my lungs were a mess...chronic bronchitis, short of breath, hacking....hard to believe I wouldn't be more at risk. I think all moderate-heavy smokers would eventually get copd...which certainly would make you vulnerable.

    Nicotine however, has a variety of benefits that the powers that be in the media dont like to promote. Wouldn't be surprised to hear it's a helpful drug for covid.
     

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