Anti-mask elected officials can be charged with involuntary manslaughter

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    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    ANALOGY;

    a. According to some pro-life groups, a woman’s right to choose may end up killing another life.

    b. According to science, people’s right/freedom to choose not to wear a mask may also end up killing oneself, AND other lives, plural.

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    Question; Who is primarily responsible for Pubic Health and Safety, such as; Preventing the spread of communicable disease?

    Answer; The government, thus, our Local, State, and Federal elected officials.

    But what about the elected officials who have promoted/encouraged THE OPPOSITE, thus, have endangered/killed thousands of lives due to “political” peer pressure?

    IMO, they should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
     
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    Do you mean people like Dr. Fauci who stalled on recommending masks or people like Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert who gathered his staff to tell them he tested positive for COVID-19 or both?

    Further, how can one be held responsible if someone does not follow the recommended guidelines? That would be like charging a doctor if he recommends a patient to stop smoking and they end up with lung cancer. How can that be regulated unless you keep a person in a cage to make sure they are compliant?
     
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    Back then, I believe Fauci’s rationale prioritized our frontline workers, thus, due to a shortage of masks.
     
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    Yes. He explained that's why he did it.
     
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    Quote; That would be like charging a doctor if he recommends a patient to stop smoking and they end up with lung cancer.

    Correction; That would be like charging a doctor if he recommends a patient TO KEEP SMOKING....
     
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    OK. So, Fauci did NOT recommend using masks (the reason is immaterial) and some people contracted COVID-19 and some of those people died. Is he liable?
     
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    Here’s another example;

    A Miami Beach was closed due to a high level of fecal contamination, thus, Public Health and Safety Officials have done their jobs, both testing and public awareness.

    Question; Do beachgoers still have the rights/freedom to keep swimming in it?

    Of course! But at their own risk.

    However, can an elected official prioritize people’s rights and freedom over pubic safety, thus, promote/encourage swimming in said contaminated beach?

    Of course not!
     
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    So, would you say that Fauci should be charged with involuntary manslaughter based on your OP?
     
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    IMO, absolutely not.
     
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    Then, I don't understand these statements...
    He SPECIFICALLY stalled in recommending the use of masks (reason unimportant) and that lead to infections and deaths.

    Or, are you saying that he isn't liable because he didn't actually say "Don't wear masks"?
     
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    You aren't going to have a case hold up where the Doc is acting in good faith.

    I don't know about politicians, but I'd guess something similar would apply.
     
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    AGAIN, what was his rationale?
     
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    We've already discussed that. He didn't want there to be a shortage of masks for healthcare providers. I get that.

    Your OP said NOTHING about reasons or mitigating circumstances to be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
     
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    Hell No. The last thing I want is someone else to be legally liable for my health and safety.

    That responsibility starts and stops at me ever since I turned 18.

    Children, convicts and the mentally incompetent need guardians. I am none of those. Are you?
     
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    Simply put, several elected officials have prioritized rights and freedom over public safety.

    You have yet responded to my Public Beach example.
     
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    You haven't answered my question about Fauci's culpability (your stance that he isn't liable contradicts your OP).

    What do you want me to say about the beach example? I understand it. What else is there to say?
     
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    Do not promote/encourage “We, The People” to wear masks when our doctors and nurses are being told to reuse masks, due to a shortage of masks.

    Are we clear!
     
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    This is an impossible circular conversation. I'm out.
     
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    The proof in a court of law would be did the abortion that the plaintiff requested, have administered to and paid for result in the termination of a specific life (lives) compared to did the not wearing of a mask by a plaintiff result in the termination of a specific life (lives). The burden of proof would be to determine that the actions of both individuals lead to a direct death.

    The abortion is an easy answer however the not wearing of a mask is not so easy.
     
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    They should be charged with authoritarianism for forcing people to close their businesses. In the freedom vs. safety debate I will choose freedom every time.
     
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    We’re at war against an invisible enemy, both collectively and individually, and historically, wars have been hard on civil liberties. In other words, during wartime, your limited government/don’t force me/don’t tell me......have often been subdued “in the best interest of the nation”.

    By the way, the War Production Board/Defence Production Act are also examples of authoritarianism.

    Agree or disagree?
     
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    I agree that the war production law is authoritarian. The government should be able to ask and get a positive response from somebody.

    We are not a war with a virus. We are at war with a response to the virus. The response was clearly authoritarian. Government can't stop a virus. It can't take away the exercise of free will without consequences either. Ask people to wear masks for a good reason and most will do it. Demand it and what you get instead is push back.
     
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    Governor Cuomo should be charged with mass murder and crimes against humanity for outright having thousands of elderly killed.

    Homemade masks do not protect people. They spread bacteria and virus and endanger the wearer - exactly like Fauci, the CDC and every expert has said for decades.
     
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    He committed no crime. Incompetence is not a crime.

    I don't disagree. But you should wear one for the sake of others. The masks seem to provide comfort to a lot of people. The best thing to do is to keep your distance from other people.
     

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