Antifa and BLM protesters beaten by pro police protesters at “back the blue” rally

Violence is never the answer. Don't read my posts if you don't like that I have the right to say that.

 

I didn't see any "violent antifa thugs". I saw people backing up and backing up and then getting attacked.

 

Can you direct me to any posts of yours bleating that "violence is never the answer" when the riots first started? No, only when people are trying to defend themselves.

 

Yes yes I know, you guys think they are a myth.

 

Didn’t you read the linked article?

 

Democrats in a senate hearing on Antifa refused to utter a negative word about them.

 

Not offensively.

In response to -and as a means to put down- offensive violence, its sometimes the only answer.

 

So you think the police made up the charges? Notice that only Antifa oriented protesters were arrested.

 

It also said that China and Iran are interfering in our elections against the President.

 

There is ZERO Proof that those people dressed in Black had anything to do with BLM or ANTIFA.

Any "association" is based on Hearsay from people in the crowd:

dressed all in black and thought to be Antifa

"thought to be" = Hearsay.

They just as easily could have been RW False Flag Plants to set up a FAKE RW Narrative.

There is NO PROOF.

Because, the Entire Narrative (about the Wheelchair Veteran being "assaulted" is Complete BS):

While some of the videos shared from the incident feature voices claiming someone "pushed a veteran out of his wheelchair," Carter said he jumped out of his wheelchair to help someone at the bottom of the ditch who was being hit by a pair of pro-police demonstrators.
"Nobody wanted to hit me or hurt me and they stopped," Carter said, adding that he was eventually helped back into his wheelchair.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/ne...aggressors-both-sides-caused-brawl/3334912001

 

Ian Miles Cheong
@stillgray
Antifa assaulted someone in a wheelchair. That’s what set off the beat down from residents. Police were on the scene to arrest the commies.








9:40 PM · Aug 8, 2020

 

WRONG!

Because, the Entire Narrative (about the Wheelchair Veteran being "assaulted" is Complete BS):

While some of the videos shared from the incident feature voices claiming someone "pushed a veteran out of his wheelchair," Carter said he jumped out of his wheelchair to help someone at the bottom of the ditch who was being hit by a pair of pro-police demonstrators.
"Nobody wanted to hit me or hurt me and they stopped," Carter said, adding that he was eventually helped back into his wheelchair.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/ne...aggressors-both-sides-caused-brawl/3334912001

That story was Completely Discredited. Why repeat it?

 

No, the report said those countries would not "prefer" trump.

 

The only thing in the OP is a video.

And it appears as though you have zero proof that anyone in a wheelchair was assaulted.

While some of the videos shared from the incident feature voices claiming someone "pushed a veteran out of his wheelchair," Carter said he jumped out of his wheelchair to help someone at the bottom of the ditch who was being hit by a pair of pro-police demonstrators.
"Nobody wanted to hit me or hurt me and they stopped," Carter said, adding that he was eventually helped back into his wheelchair.

 

So, violence is the answer as long as one is against the other side? How is that any different than what they are doing?

 

A lot of black folks are starting to resent the direction that BLM is taking with the violence. BLM had admitted that they don't care about any black lives except the ones that are unarmed and taken at the ands of police. That is only nine black lives that matter to BLM. Those are the lives that BLM can use most to promote donations. It's like Sharpton on steroids except that Sharpton was a yes man for the Democrat party where BLM isn't.

 

Because self defense is a natural human right and the initiator of violence is always wrong.

 

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (often attributed to Voltaire).

 

I agree with Voltaire. I also hold that violence isn't speech.

 

The quote applies to me not agreeing with you, but respecting your right to voice your opinion.

 

It also applies to protesting, unless you think violence is speech.

 

Well, you cannot speak to my intent on why I posted it. You are the one trying to equate it to violence which is not what I wrote.

 

This is a debate forum. I appreciate your defense of my speech, but it isn't necessary. I'd rather you defend your position. What have I said that you disagree with and why?

 

I disagree that he did anything wrong. I stand by that. That means, I don't agree with you (and that's OK).

The way I saw the incident is...

1. He opened the door not knowing who was on the other side.
2. He was ready to defend himself and his property, if necessary.
3. He immediately saw it was LE and he took a position of deference.
4. He lowered himself to the ground and went to lay his weapon down.
5. The officer behind/to his left shot him in the back.

I have watched it several times and I just don't see how anyone can think he was being aggressive or attempting to raise his weapon. I understand the shooter felt he and/or his partner was in danger but I didn't see that. I think it's easy for people to rationalize this and take the cop's side because everyone wants to feel safe and know there are officers out there to take care of the "bad" guys. Everyone wants to feel safe which is probably why the man had a weapon in the first place.

I am not a police attacker. Nor am I a police apologist. I have been an LEO and I know it's not easy. It's also not easy for people that live in rough neighborhoods. Often, they feel they have to defend their property and themselves (and that's justifiable and prudent). It's unfortunate this incident happened because it has forever changed everyone's lives.

P.S. I've had many conversations on this forum that were not debates.

 

I think there's confusion afoot. When did the conversation switch to the guy getting shot by police?