ANY American who wants us back in Iraq should shut up and enlist, period !

I don't give a damn if you're old, if you've already served, or if know someone who's served or is currently serving. If you feel American soldiers need to be put in harms way again in Iraq, HOW ABOUT YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND ENLIST ?

It's so easy to be a chicken hawk, lap top warrior, to be demanding for war when you don't have to fight. The truth is the vast, vast, majority of your right wingers on here demanding we "do something" about the Civil War in Iraq have never served, will never serve, and are probably unwilling to serve. I'm tired of the war drums being beaten on this forum by those who have no desire to serve or a history of service.

And the truth is, even if you have served, what is stopping you from serving again ? In what world does serving in the military give one the right to demand we be in a constant state of war without having to fight themselves again ? Your service is thanked, and I am forever grateful for anyone who has served. But if you want Americans to be put into harm's way again - especially if you're 50 or under, you should enlist and put your money where your mouth is.

Otherwise, be quiet let the president remove the troops as he was re-elected to do.

 

Screw that. I don't want to see us send our troops back. I say they charter a plane, fly over there with guns and supplies, and start their own resistance cell. If they care that much then fight fire with fire and stoo trying to send our people and money into a conflict that doesn't involve us and that we can't solve.

 

Even though I don't want any US troops back in Iraq, the OP is pretty bunk.

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When did you serve?

 

I didn't - and that's why I'm not on here demanding we go back into Iraq. "We" is the cop-out word because most right wingers who say "we need to go back to Iraq" really mean "The American soldiers need to go back to Iraq."

 

I can see your point, but saying unless you're wearing combat boot you should shut up and not express your opinion is lame as (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Right on. These big mouths LOVE to type words but that's all that they do.

 

I think the issue is that Obama shouldn't have let this situation escalate in the first place to where we now need to decide to send in troops or let terrorists take control of a country. Did Obama intentionally wait in order to let our enemies gain a half billion dollars to fund further terrorist activities or is he demonstrably unfit to be President? One of those two are true.

 

There should be some sort of military response to the crisis in Iraq regarding ISIS. I'm 49 and I resigned my commission 7 years ago for health reasons. Very doubtful they would take me back at this stage, in terms of serving in a combat specialty, what with far more younger and physically fit individuals in the available pool of recruits. Should the need arise for desk jockeys, count me in.

 

I don't want us there but, we will need to go there to clean up Obama's mess sooner or later. And Obama has sure made a laughing stock out of us, our enemies are certainly going to reorganize and plan their next attack while using some of our own weapons.

 

A worthless opinion.

What value is the opinion of neo-con chickenhawkery? To demand Americans go get their jaw bones blown off, and suffer all manner of other awkward and horrific injuries, so they can say "Rah Rah Rah" on an online internet forum, isn't an "opinion." It's just childish internet babbling masquerading as an incoherent ideology.

 

do you honestly believe that if we have stayed until 2040 that by 2042 Iraq wouldn't have come to this same conclusion ?
of course it would have - even a 50 year stay in a region with conflicts going back 1000 years won't fix anything. I too wished these tribal wars would go away in the Middle East, but the truth is is that it is their problem. We need to take care of ourselves.

 

The ISIS insurgent strength is estimated to be between 20 - 25,000. The U.S. could effectively wage an air war, including weaponized drone saturation and effectively eliminate 50% of the insurgents in less than a month.. The problem? America no longer has the stomach for war, for collateral damage. During WW2 allied bombing campaigns more often than not killed civilians. These casualties were accepted as a cost of the war. Ground zero for Hiroshima was less than a football field away from a civilian hospital.

These insurgents will embed themselves with Iraqi civilians, those wanting no part of war and there will be collateral damage...not could be, there would be instances where women, children...male civilians are killed or injured. Our citizenry doesn't have the stomach to do the sort of war fighting that actually wins the war. A war waged in the totality of consequences. If death is all these insurgents understand than we will make them understand. This can done with minimal boots on the ground, with minimal investment of ground forces...but the price will be accepting the news feeds, photos and videos of the inevitable collateral damage.

 

Strawman. Obama was informed of this months ago, what did he do besides play golf and let them take over? Nothing. He has made all of us less safe. Congrats lefties they now have half a billion dollars and weapons to shoot down the airliner your family may be flying on.

 

Really? Someone who has never served is telling combat vets that if they support going into Iraq need to shut up? Really?

Zero respect for you. You are no JFK Democrat.

 

I already tried to enlist when I was 18. They refused citing health problems. Otherwise, I would love to go over there and serve my country. And I would still be in the military today if I didn't have my health problems.

And telling people to Shut Up is poor form. While I completely agree with the sentiments, people have a right to express their opinions.

 

ok, i'll take this head on.
who cares if Obama was informed of potential conflicts ?
he isn't obligated to do a damn thing anymore.
Obama is smart enough to know that we had no businesses there after Saddam was captured.
he realized a Civil war was inevitable since the boundaries of Iraq were created by white Europeans and not by the people of that region.
now, what is happening is what should have happened a long time ago.
Iraq will break into three states - Kurds, Sunni Arabs, Shia Arabs/Persians.
you need to put away your war drum and pick up a history book.

 

100% cowardly deflection on your part.
I'm not telling them to shut up. I'm telling them to enlist if they want to keep fighting a war in Iraq.
Again, just because you feel all vets are correct all the time about anything having to do with war doesn't make it so.
I have nothing but respect for vets. I have nothing but anger towards people who want others to fight wars their aren't in, vet or no vet.

 

No Iraq will become a terrorist state controlled by people who want to kill us. Thanks to Obama and his ineptness and special thanks to the people who elected him we are all less safe now. There is no war drum to put away. I know this is a hard concept for lefties to grasp but there are people on earth who no matter what we do will always want to kill us because of what we stand for which is freedom. These people only know one thing, force. If you put your war drums away these people take over countries, their money and they gain weapons which can easily shoot our families out of the sky. Its time for leftists to just admit they effed up and effed up BIGTIME and get this guy to step down before he is able to do any more damage to us. This is off the charts at this point. Ive never seen a President so inept at everything before.

 

So what could obama have done if he weren't so inept?

Didn't he make a promise to pull our boys out of Iraq? He keeps his promise so now he's inept because the fighting between two religious idiots erupts?

How is that his fault?

???

I'm really confused.

I guess the common cold that affects millions of people across the world is Obama's fault too.

 

The only ones here that seem to be saying that are people like the OP and you. Now, do you support Obama's move to send troops back? I am sure you supported his pulling out against his advisor's requests and also announcing exactly when so the carnage could begin.

 

If you wanted to just make them sit down and shut up we should have kept Saddam. Whatever else you might say about him he was keeping a pretty stable country with all the various factions before we invaded. The problem is you still haven't learned the lesson of Vietnam. You think we can win their hearts and minds if only we're willing to kill most of them.

I agree with the OP. You have a right to express your opinion on most things but what happens when you're in High School and you tell someone else he should go fight somebody within that person's hearing? Stop reliving your adolescent defeats, the bullies are gone and can't stuff you in the locker anymore and you don't have to prove anything to anybody now.

 

I don't want us to return to Iraq... at this point, but taunting people who think that's the best course in some self-righteous way merely due to their opinion is childish.

 

You need to read the posts from the beginning. That should answer your question.

 

He did it against what his advisor's told him. He knew well in advance that the troops we were training were not ready. We were supplying intel for them then suddenly it went dark. They had no chance. This was a political move by Obama, not something a real Commander in Chief would do.

 

Ah, thanks.