Anyone know Trump's stance on Ukraine?

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  1. Hey Now

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    That's because you can't debunk my link provided. Sorry, but you will need to do better.
     
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    It lines up the context and timeline to what triggered your requirement to try to gas light my post, so what does that tell you?
     
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    LOL! You have presented zero evidence to debunk. Just an unsupported opinion.

    Now I did provide you with evidence that Ukraine did try to rig the US election against Trump.
    Do you have any comment on that? ;-)
     
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    Oh lookie here, you have been unable to touch the link I clearly provided and that's hard for most that fawn over Trump can actually handle. Sorry, but the link is quite clear and torches all the gas lighting it triggered.
     
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    Again, zero evidence from you.

    Hard Evidence:

    U.S. forces killed scores of Russian mercenaries in Syria last week in what may be the deadliest clash between citizens of the former foes since the Cold War, according to one U.S. official and three Russians familiar with the matter.

    More than 200 contract soldiers, mostly Russians fighting on behalf of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, died in a failed attack on a base held by U.S. and mainly Kurdish forces in the oil-rich Deir Ezzor region, two of the Russians said. The U.S. official put the death toll in the fighting at about 100, with 200 to 300 injured, but was unable to say how many were Russians.”
    BLOOMBERG, U.S. Strikes Killed Scores of Russia Fighters in Syria, Sources Say, By Stepan Kravchenko , Henry Meyer , and Margaret Talev, February 13, 2018.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...d-to-kill-scores-of-russian-fighters-in-syria
     
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    LOL! Paste up something form your link -- if you can. ;-)
     
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    Need to get the rabbit chase down the hole, self help is in your prevue, read the linked article I provided or keep the dodge faith. Read, it's in English..
     
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    I read it and agree with your conclusion. There is nothing there worth pasting up for discussion. :)
     
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    Well it put your hard facts into actual context so that's understandable. Perspective from Mr. Quid Pro Quo Trump limited thought process..
     
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    The CJR finally put it all into perspective this January.

    “The Post did a major story a week later that seemed to burnish the dossier’s main conspiracy allegation.

    It didn’t hold up. Two weeks after that the Post followed with the disclosure of the Carter Page FISA surveillance, a story that turned out to have significant omissions.

    The Post landed a long story about Sergei Millian, a Belarusian-American businessman, on March 29. The top of the piece identified Millian as the source behind the dossier’s most serious allegation, a “well-developed conspiracy” between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin, the same ground covered by the Wall Street Journal and ABC in January. The claim that Millian was a key informant whose information was “central to the dossier” was stated without any attribution or sourcing. In 2021 the Post retracted the parts of the story describing Millian as a dossier source after John Durham, a special counsel looking into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigations, indicted Steele’s main source for lying to the FBI. Durham alleged the fact of Millian being a source had been “fabricated.” The Post editor’s note explained that Durham’s indictment “contradicted” information in the March story, and additional reporting in 2021 further “undermined” the account. The Post also deleted parts of a few other stories that repeated the allegation that Millian was a dossier source.

    After the retractions, the Post editor who replaced Baron, Sally Buzbee, said to the Times that the paper had been “very skeptical about the contents of the dossier.” Some Post reporters—though not the authors of the piece—had called the contents “garbage” and “bullshit.” Buzbee and other Post journalists declined my requests for an interview.”
    COLUMBIA JOURNALISM REVIEW, Editors Note, Looking back on the coverage of Trump, CHAPTER 2: THE ORIGINS OF FAKE NEWS, By Kyle Pope CJR, and Jeff Gerth, January 30, 2023.
    https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-ed-note.php
     
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    More unsupported opinion.

    Vs.

    Hard evidence of Russia Collusion:

    “One afternoon, five weeks before Election Day in 2016, on the 21st floor of a tower overlooking Manhattan’s Eighth Avenue, members of The Nation’s editorial advisory board gathered for a twice-annual meeting. Katrina vanden Heuvel—the magazine’s editor, publisher, and owner—invited attendees to hear from a special guest, who had come to warn them that criticizing Donald Trump’s involvements with Russia, or his relationship with Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, could trigger global nuclear annihilation. Vanden Heuvel, who was 56, gestured to her husband, Stephen F. Cohen, then 77, a retired professor of Russian studies. Russia and the United States “were closer to war than at any time since the Cuban missile crisis,” he told the board. He also derided Democrats and American media organizations for “demonization of Russian President Putin.”

    Philip Green, a political theorist who had been on the board for forty years, listened with skepticism. Cohen’s theory, “presented with deadly and urgent seriousness,” he thought, appeared to be channeling the paranoia of the far-right. Others felt the same way. But afterward, Green says, “It became the party line.”

    Cohen would go on to make the same argument in at least 160 Nation articles; more than a hundred talk radio show appearances; and on Russia’s state-owned international channel, Russia Today (RT).”
    BYLINE TIMES, EXCLUSIVE, Russia & the US Press, The Article the CJR Didn’t Publish, Two and a half years ago, the Columbia Journalism Review refused to publish Duncan Campbell’s investigation into The Nation magazine and its apparent support for Vladimir Putin. It is published here in full, By Duncan Campbell, 4 February 2023.
    https://bylinetimes.com/2023/02/04/russia-and-the-us-press-the-article-the-cjr-didnt-publish/
     
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    Trump Said He Might Have Let Russia “Take Over” Parts of Ukraine.

    Apparently, Loser still wants to grovel before his "savvy genius."

    That is consistent with his cutting vital military aid to Ukraine when Zelinskyy refused to contrive the evidence to damage Trump's political opponent as Giuliani, Parnas, and Fruman had demanded on Trump's behalf.

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    CONVICTED - DEBARRED - CONVICTED
     
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    Yes, Trump wants to give Ukraine over to Russia.

    Think of all the support Americans have given to Ukraine! Some people have even hung out Ukrainian flags and/or gone over there to help.

    This should dampen support for Trump's presidential run as well as DeSantis who has foolishly followed Trump on the pro-Russian, anti-Ukraine train.
     
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    Ukraine is a NATO problem. We need to re arm ourselves and get ready for a shooting war with China. The bully is spoiling for a fight.
    The biggest adjustment will be a blockade of Chinese products.
    BTW, if Biden is the used to doing the job, why us he running? He’s in California campaigning on his SVB handout.
     
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    Kinda difficult to give away what he doesn't possess. Did he really say that?
     
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    A boatload of misinformation. For one, the Trump administration sent more armaments to Ukraine than Obama, for example.
     
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    I think Trump was alluding to democracy reigning in the Donbas.
     
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    I was curious, so I looked it up. It appears that he was referring to being a negotiator between Ukraine and Russia.
    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...-deal-let-russia-take-parts-ukraine-rcna74132
    Obviously, he couldn't "give" away anything, but he could negotiate a deal possibly agreed to by both Russia and Ukraine.
     
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    Lol, Trump played NO significant role in that. At all. He bitched about it. Congress made that call, a bipartisan one, and they had a veto proof majority (to put it mildly). Trump had no choice and no say. All he did was drag his pathetic sharpie across a piece of paper that didn't ultimately matter and he even complained while doing that.
     

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