AR platforms - suitable for all legal uses for a gun

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Not really an AR just made in Turkey to look like one.

    I have my Mossberg 500 and my 590A1. Made in USA, doing fine. No need to spend money to employ gun makers in other countries.

    If I wanted another shotgun there are Made In USA options. And I don't care about appearances, looking like an AR doesn't make it one.
     
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    So what makes an AR an AR?
     
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    The inner mechanical workings make an Armalite Rifle an Armalite Rifle. The inner workings of this shotgun are radically different from an AR. Here's a video on the disassembly.

     
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    the receiver

    AKs can be had chambered in 7.62x39, 7.62x51(.308 ), .223, 5.56x45, 5.45x39, .410ga and 12ga.

    ARs are likely available in all those as well (except probably 7.62x39 and 5.45x39), as well as many other rounds that I dont have committed to memory like the (nearabouts) .45 socom and .50 beowulf (need a check on that last).

    But i do know for a fact ARs can be chambered in .308 and accept 3 or 5 round mags, which make them usable/legal for hunting large game.

    Additionally, nearly all rifle calibers are acceptible for hunting coyotes, which technically would make them all 'common use'.
     
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    AR is a pretty loose term. What about an AR Shotgun?
     
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    So in your opinion is the AR listed in the OP really an AR?
     
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    Actually, I cant say. I can't find any specs on the receiver.

    Everyone who sells it advertizes iit as an AR and it looks like an AR receiver... so probably?

    But there isn't info on an 80% DIY receiver available for it, which indicates that its at least somewhat different from an AR receiver... or its too new for anyone to have tried.

    :frustrated::truce:
     
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    I bought my son an AR 15 (SW) chambered in Russian 545x39
     
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    Really? Neat :)

    But, why?
     
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    I bought it when I could get tons of 545 cheap and 556/223 was tougher to get
    it uses the same magazines though you can buy some that were purpose built
    it had slightly less recoil

    I used to get the corrosive Russian stuff in the Spam Can for about 120/1100+ rounds. That was about 10 years ago and has since dried up but I have lots of the non corrosive Silver Bear stuff for my Red Jacket (yeah they used to make great rifles and a friend of mine was friends with the disgraced Will Hayden) AK 74 rifles.
     
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    No, there are no AR shotguns. There are guns made to externally look like the AR-15 and AR-10. But none uses the AR's direct gas impingement system. None uses the rotating bolt and bolt carrier group. None uses the spring and weighted mass recoil system. The upper and lower receivers have an external AR look but do not come apart without tools, there are no take-down pins. There is no barrel nut directly holding the barrel to the upper receiver under specified torque, no wave washer or delta ring. The stock attaches with a bolt same as many shotguns with a wood stock. The action is a large gas piston under the barrel, same as other semi-auto shotguns made by many brands.

    Yes, it is true that AR's are available in dozens of cartridges up to .30-06 Springfield. The AR-15 is the short action, developed around the .223 Remington/5.56 NATO. The AR-10 is the long action, developed around the .308 Winchester/7.62 NATO. There are longer actions that go beyond the AR-10, such as the .30-06 chambering. Very much custom and very expensive.
     
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    I had one of those awhile back and found it to be poorly built and subject to jamming when the mag was about half empty, put it up for auction and actually sold it for just about what I paid for it.

    Would never recommend anyone buy one, stick with a Mossberg or Remington less money and a way better design..
     
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    The anti-gun left is completely ignorant of this -- if you tell them it is an AR shotgun, they won't even begin to think otherwise.
     
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    Call it what you like, that configuration would make for a terrible bird gun.
     
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    if you really wanna hunt bird with a semi-auto mag fed shotgun, i would recomend the Saiga-12

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    I know, its not an AR, but rather an AK. I just like pointing out when AKs have an advantage :)
     
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    Agreed.
    Anywhere I have hunted birds there was a three shell limit in the gun anyway.
     
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    It's the stock vs. barrel alignment that makes it unsuitable for bird hunting.
     
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    The variety of calibers and uses the AR platform provides is actually amazing, it is the most versatile design ever. It also allows the owner to teak everything about it- even in the field.

    Many of us have a SHTF gun, sort of a go-to in emergency thing. It needs to be portable and versatile, a do-everything tool. NO fixed platform can provide that. The AR can.
    My go-to will fit in an 18" backpack. It is basically the standard 5.56 caliber, built with focus on ultra light weight, and fitting a variety of situations. By dropping in an adapter bolt and modified magazine, and it becomes a .22 long rifle. That takes about 1 minute. It has a quick change barrel adapter of my own design, so in a matter of a couple minutes I can change barrels and make it a .300 blackout rifle. That's three totally different ballistic ranges, and the whole thing weighs less than 10 pounds. The only thing missing was very long-range capability. I'm now adding that, and I've chosen a new cartridge known as the Valkyrie. It has superb long range performance- the bullet is still supersonic at 1300 yards; well beyond a .300 Win Magnum. The drop and drift factors beat most everything. Ammo fits in the basic AR magazine. How do I make little AR into a Valkyrie? Swap a barrel, swap the bolt insert, and it's good to go. Extra barrel and bolt add less than 3 pounds- so in a backpack under 13 pounds, I have a portable AR platform that covers everything from rabbits to extreme long-range tactical needs. Everything field changeable in a few minutes with minimal tools. The M-1Garand I used in basic training was 10 lbs by itself.

    This is why the AR is so popular. It is whatever you want it to be, and is quick-change artist to boot. Common- to every kind of need or use one might have.
     
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