are blacks and browns oppressed in the white west?

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  1. rayznack

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    Is there any reason to believe so?

    If you believe they are, where can blacks and browns live outside the white West where their quality of life will be equal or better to that in the white West?

    Why could not whites actually argue blacks and browns - overall - lower white quality of life and inconvenience whites in their only living space?

    Why shouldn't whites not in fact say blacks and browns oppress whites?
     
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    Um, to oppress another group, one has to keep them in subservience and hardship. Black and brown people simply can't do that in the West, so White's can't say another group is oppressing them.

    The answer to your 3rd question is no because of economics. Capitalism requires an underclass to work properly. It was cheap/free labor that had elite White's bringing in non-white groups and it was incredibly profitable/convenient for them.

    To the 2nd question, of course there are other places better than the West. However, the West is home to many and that's that.

    1st question, imho of course due to double standards in treatment by law and society.
     
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    Haha. I didn't realize my response would easily provoke this type of response. Where's the resolve Lololol.
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    2. Non elite whites may be burdened. However, elite whites are able to get cheap labor. So, you can speak for some whites, but definitely not all of them.

    3. Western civilization doesn’t need movies either, but you know what, it brings in an incredible amount of money. Something western civilization seems to value above all else.
     
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    I seriously doubt you'll be able to prove this. Do a full budget breakdown and share the beneficiaries by race. When you see the beneficiaries are mostly white, you should be able to change your view (at least a little) on this.

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    Again, where do blacks live better than the white West?
     
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    The onus is on you to prove your supposition. When you do that, I can counter with my sources.
     
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    He posted a question, that is indeed a supposition.
    It's obviously is that Blacks live better in Western white countries than they in their own.

    That's certainly true about the USA (and EU) where the standard of Living is immensely better and Black GDP per capita is $35,000.
    vs Averaging 1/10th of that or less in most sub-saharan countries.
    And still Multiples higher than even the few Oil Rich black countries

    You are free to "counter" any time.
    (Hint: you probably don't want to use Freed-Slave Liberia where GDP per Capita is $455)
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    I can make assertions too. For top 20 violent places, blacks in the West make the list whereas those in SSA don't. How is it a better standard of living with gang violence in the West?

    Anyway, the OP had a couple other claims that he can't support. I mean, whites financed ways to have Africans enter the west. They saw a great economic interest in doing so, therefore the convenience argument dies right there.

    His other claim is that black/brown people oppress whites. How does a race realist come to the conclusion that supposed racially inferior groups somehow oppress the superior. It's just out and out ridiculous. Just my 2.
     
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    Conspicuoulsy No Link for your claim
    Why?
    Are the other 19 ALL Black or Hispanic?

    Let's save time

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    Indeed, we can't cure genetic Race proclivities.
    That is the point of us Race Realists in this section.
    Welcome!
    Even though it's unwitting.


    "anyway" means "I lost But how about this other stuff"..


    The fact they they were brought here as slaves (and would work for nothing) is NOT a refutation of the fact that they live better in White countries 200-300 years later.
    %*&^^())&^%
    This was clearly poor long term thinking on their part.
    Or rather, they never imagined they would ever be citizens any more than other owned property. (viewed as livestock)

    We are still paying for the 'Original Sin' of slavery, and will be for a few more Centuries, at least.

    I don't see that claim, but previous he has said they are a drag on the economy.
    They are.
    Much higher Crime/Justice costs, remedial edu, etc.

    And of course, he has now been shown substantially Correct on Living Standard despite your bitsy protestations.

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    Claims of large scale oppression of black and brown people in the West are indeed total BS. In fact, they're racist against whites.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ional-racism-is-racism-against-whites.516545/

    Affirmative action and diversity policies do in fact "oppress" whites because they violate equal opportunity, but opposing that stuff is pretty mainstream conservatism. Besides the fault for that is on white and Jewish liberals, minorities have their bigots but they don't oppress anyone themselves.

    But the claim that blacks don't bring anything good to society is equally BS.

    What about music? Rock. Reggae. Jazz. Blues... Without "black" music, modern "white" music genres, like metal, wouldn't even exist. In fact, you often see white racists who want to ban "n***** music", which includes all the above. How about white racists don't bring anything useful to society?
     
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    1. No link to my claim like there was no link to the OP's claim. Just strong assertions hence my "I can make assertions too" remark.

    2. Umm, the most violent cities on earth involving "black" people come from the West. Not Africa or the Caribbean...just the west.

    3. The last part of your post is you agreeing with me? Yeah because any lamentations on black and brown people in "White countries" is the direct result of actions of white people. The crime and justice is just a stat that can be modified by simply changing the laws.
     
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    The OP's claim is General, Obvious, and Still TRUE.

    You Claimed a "top 20 LIST". That kind of specifity demands a Link
    or Withdraw.
    You LOSE.

    You also said "Places."
    WTF is that? Bad neighborhoods, in Countries that in which they they DO in fact Still live better in.
    He claimed in the "WHITE WEST", not (DUH) on every street Corner in every neighborhood.
    YOU LOSE.


    LINK?
    WRONG.
    Jamaica has 4x the Murder Rate of Chicago:: 58 vs 15 per 100,000
    .

    https://www.google.com/search?biw=1...1.64.psy-ab..1.6.659...0i7i30k1.0.rgf5DMBrMGU
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    https://www.google.com/search?ei=dkDxWf3vDMT9mAHb55GYBg&q=chicago+murder+rate,+per+100,000&oq=chicago+murder+rate,+per+100,000&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i8i30k1l3.934248.934248.0.934545.1.1.0.0.0.0.130.130.0j1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.128....0.n0BdbCWZ_PU

    Chicago and Jamaica have about the same population totals.
    Kingston, capital CITY of Jamaica, probably worse yet.
    You LOSE Again.


    Sure guy!
    LOFL.
    If you want to stop making Murder and Robbery Crimes, then Blacks will look better in the stats!
    Yeah, you solved it!
    No facts, no argument.
    DOH!

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    LOL, so the opening poster gets to make claims without proof, but I have to substantiate mine????

    Fine.

    Top 20 violent cities in the whole world:

    1 Caracas Venezuela 130.35
    2 Acapulco Mexico 113.24
    3 San Pedro Sula Honduras 112.09
    4 Distrito Central Honduras 112.09
    5 Victoria Mexico 84.67
    6 Maturin Venezuela 82.84
    7 San Salvador El Salvador 83.39
    8 Ciudad Guayana Venezuela 82.84
    9 Valencia Venezuela 72.02
    10 Natal Brazil 69.56
    11 Belem Brazil 67.41
    12 Aracaju Brazil 62.76
    13 Cape Town South Africa 60.77
    14 St. Louis United States 60.37
    15 Feira de Santana Brazil 60.10
    16 Barquisimeto Venezuela 59.38
    17 Cumana Venezuela 59.31
    18 Campos dos Goytacazes Brazil 56.45
    19 Salvador Brazil 54.71
    20 Cali Colombia 54.00

    -worldatlas

    Note the bolded and underlined are western places. Your Kingston city example is beat by the western South Africa and ST. Louis too. Meanwhile, you should look up the genetics of most people in all these countries. Warning, your racialist arguments will begin to crumble when you see the results.

    And yes, changing the laws changes crime make up. Simply refer to the prohibition timeline (before, during, and after) for an example of this.
     
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    Again..
    his was an obviously True Generalization.
    Blacks live better in Western White Countries.
    It's STILL True
    It's Still WAY over.
    You Lost.

    You were reduced/Self-Porked to pointing at..... Heavily Black City CRIME-ONLY, in White America to "prove". that they don't live better in American than.. WHERE?
    Your posts do the OPPOSITE. They show Black = Crime everywhere as my Map did.

    And love how RIDICULOUS you had to get, by saying if they change the definition of Crime....
    No they're not going to change stats for you.

    Rayznack is/remains Correct.
    His assertion that Blacks live better in the White West remains Overwhelmingly TRUE (with 10x the income, Med care), even/especially if you can perversely point to Crime (ONLY) in a few Heavily Black American cities as not "living better".

    No (even St Louis) Black is moving back to Niger, Mali, or Liberia to make $1000 a year, get Ebola, or killed by Boko Haram, and have No indoor plumbing, Medicaid, or Food stamps.
    You need a Link for that?

    How ridiculous.
    No one else, in many strings, ever tried to answer his assertion, because he's right.
    Only You ventured against the obvious Truth for your politics.

    Euro White Country Blacks have an even better deal. Gauranteed income, Universal healthcare, etc. And lower crime than the USA.
    Failed State Haitians can't be liking that Canadian weather though.

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    He made the claim that blacks live better lives in the west. I don't see how are helping his case either. The nuclear black family in the West is mostly broken, the worst black gangs come from the west, the biggest black ghetto come from a western country, the black western people own virtually nothing. They are basically consumer classes in the west. Yes, do some become more yes, but that's it.

    You named Ebola and some other random stuff that pops up here and there in Africa, not some widespread thing. Anyway, I'll put up Boko Haram against the mass murderers in the West. Someone, for example, was able to open fire on a Vegas venue and killed many. This is a constant, especially in America. Also, people making $1000 a year can actually live on it, not like the incredibly expensive debt - ridden west. People work hard in the West and they STILL need massive government help.

    Lastly, guaranteed income, nope. Must work and if you need assistance you might have to delay or sacrifice marriage. You also have to qualify for it. The healthcare is so expensive, many people forego it in the first place.
     
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    Sub-Saharan Africa is one Large 'Ghetto', with a few Tiny sub-ghettos of prosperity.

    Really?

    Vegas, etc, vs:

    How nice to DISINGENUOUSLY drop other "Random stuff" like: 70% having NO Indoor Plumbing: No Toilets, No Running water.
    And most without Electric power as well.

    Or the "random stuff," like making 1/10th of what they do in America.

    There is/remains NO Comparison in Standard of living between Blacks in Western White Countries (Including Europe, Canada), and how they live in sub-Sahara.

    This remains a JOKE of a 'debate' between reality and your gratuitous last-word posting.
    No one else would try - indeed persist - with such lost-cause nonsense.

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    1. Stereotypes are no substitute for facts.

    2. The boko haram claim leads to a "page not found" error. Ooops lol.

    3. You ignored the state many so called black people in the West live. The trade off for material goods is living in a permanent working poor underclass and as the scapegoat for all western problems. Also, you make it seem like Africa is some desert slum. Many of the places are developing and many decent places have always been there, wth.
     
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    Which is why I post facts and make Mincemeat out of your claims of... nothing. Like the above.

    Note there was No answer to the FACTS I posted in my last. NO quote of my post.
    Just the deflecting and empty "1/2/3".. Another WHIFF.

    And this is a perfect demo!
    The Link works perfectly.
    OOOPS!
    Unless, and OMFG, you included the additional word "said" that auto-generates as part of any 'quote' box.
    OOOPS!
    and even then, tell me you Couldn't find the Wiki entry/Link for Boko Haram!
    OOOPS!
    Un.......believable.
    !^**%^)*%$#

    So now you are REBUTTED 100% on your Vegas v Boko claim.
    In addition to lots more you've whiffed on.

    Facts?
    You could NOT name ONE Country where Blacks live better than they do in the "White West."

    Not that Single One/Exception would change Rayznack's True generalization of the planet.
    IOW....
    You Lost.

    No doubt the President of Nigeria lives better than a crack addict's child. (your goofy "some people").
    A bad neigborhood doesn't change his True generalization of the Planet.
    Rayznack is CORRECT and Unrefuted by you.
    Still.

    This has been really enlightening for all readers.
    Your posts are beyond bad, beyond disingenuous and Nonresponsive, and into "posts of the year" country.
    bye
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    Sooooo, we just declare ourselves the winner because of some very strong say sos???? Ooooo kay.
     
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    I'm curious to know how the obsessed is so repressed these days ... WHO is holding them back from achievements?
     
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    As you go about your day today, name one Black or Brown individual that is preventing you from achieving anything you want to do today.
     
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    If you let them tell it, it's everyone including women lol.
     

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