Are humans....

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  1. Nonsensei436

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    Humans are animals.

    Humans are also sentient.

    Homosexuality is acceptable for many many many reasons, the very least of which is that it happens elsewhere in the animal kingdom.
    Racism is wrong among humans because it runs counter to one of greatest strengths as a species: the ability and drive to come together in large groups and create stable societies in which everyone has a role and benefits from the whole. We come together to create something that is greater than the sum of its individual parts. Racism degrades that process by excluding individuals based on criteria that have nothing to do with their ability to function in or contribute to society. That is, at the birds eye level, why it is a harmful phenomenon and discarding it benefits society.

    Racism is necessary among animals because in the wild you only have a few ways that animals interact with each other, and they essentially boil down to ****ing or fighting. In both cases, "racism" won't steer you wrong. But our brains are bigger than a lima bean so that logic doesn't apply.
     
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    We are alive and we aren't plants. Can you figure it out from there?
     
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    Nice backpedal since you're the one who brought up homosexuality or gays several times so, yes, clearly that is the issue.

    Now you bring up homosexuality again. Yes, there are homosexual acts in the animal world. Intelligent, educated people understand the difference between a homosexual act and being homosexual. Male prisoners may commit homosexual acts in prison but revert to heterosexual behavior once released. A homosexual act doesn't make them homosexual. People don't "turn" homosexual. They either are or aren't.

    Is homosexuality "natural" meaning genetic? Yes. Is it normal? No since about 98% of human beings are heterosexual.

    Are human beings animals? Yes. Are human beings just animals? No.
     
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    Simple answer, yes.
     
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    Some birds are known for cross-breeding with other species--example, mallard crossbreeds are quite common.
     
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    Lions like to hang out with wildebeasts whenever possible.
     
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    Birds also have multi-species flocks.
     
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    Humans have different chromosome configurations. Makeup? What chromosome pairing would make a dog have only 2 legs or a human have 4?
     
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    Brown dogs have no problem with mixing with grey dogs. great danes have no problem mixing with terriers. So both homosexuality and mixing with different looking individuals of the same species happens in the animal world.
     
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    You're talking more about racism than sexual preference. Still, I've yet to see any dogs or other animals banish, imprison or execute another for homosexuality.
     
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    Since we have recorded texts back thousands of years describing homosexual activity, and it seems to have always been a part of society for a small percentage of humans, we can say that it is normal for a small percentage of the human animal to be homosexual.
     
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    The sticking point is "normal". No, at 2%, it's not. OTOH, it's as "abnormal" as any other genetic abnormality that affects human beings. Many anti-homosexuals want this to be a "lifestyle choice" and, oddly, many homosexuals agree because they don't want to be seen as genetic defects. The fact remains that homosexuality is no more a choice than heterosexuality, it's just 98% less likely.
     
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    I don't think I have ever seen anyone compare Racism with Homosexuality before this thread, that is most bizarre.....
     
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    Simple answer....YES.
     
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    Nonnie, I think it's best you "Cherry pick" whatever you wish. What you want society to be based on your mental preference. I really can't comprehend the goals behind questions like this. I understand if you're simply curious, but I feel many people overthink these types of things.
     
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    I've had dogs of all colors and sizes and I never saw one that had to sit at the back of the dog bus.

    Humans are all the same species. Hummingbirds and Seagulls are not.

    Are you suggesting that birds flock based on race, and not species? Do black birds get treated badly?
     
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    Your example suggests that humans should treat chimps as equals.
     
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    Homo Sapiens (human) is obviously an animal. Every animal has traits and behaviors which vary widely based largely on brain architecture and size. Humans also have highly complex social structures and relatively advanced reproductive rituals. Many animals engage in what we call "Homosexual" behavior as a means of social interaction and dominance display....we are animals.
     
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    You saying animals are homosexual? Or just that some indulge in it, the behavior, like female dogs humping another dog? Is that homosexuality or just behavior, while still being heterosexual? Isn't there a bit of difference here? I know of no cases where animals become homosexuals. They must have better sense? Yet I have heard people dishonestly use this as evidence homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality. Since a prime directive for life, animal life is to first survive and second to procreate..well, homosexuality is not an act of procreation. So even the animals that do exhibit such behavior are not pairing up with the same sex and ignoring the opposite sex. Mother Nature hard wired procreation, and the only time you see animals choosing homosexuality over procreation is with homo sapiens, who has a tendency more than other animals to suffer from mental illness.

    I used to have a dog that humped my leg. A male dog. Yet the dog is heterosexual for he procreates, naturally. So no one could have called my dog homosexual, and be intellectually honest. And yet this is what some pro gay people have used time and time again, to show it is just as natural as heterosexuality. Except we do not have strictly gay animals until you come to homo sapien sapiens. I would say that homosexual acts among the lower animals is not the same as we see in people. For animals are still heterosexual. No homosexual.
     
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    ·The American Psychological Association released a Statement on Homosexuality in 1994-JUL. Their first two paragraphs are:

    The research on homosexuality is very clear. Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love and sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men and lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social and vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men and lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals.

    Nor is homosexuality a matter of individual choice. Research suggests that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth. It is found in about ten percent of the population, a figure which is surprisingly constant across cultures, irrespective of the different moral values and standards of a particular culture. Contrary to what some imply, the incidence of homosexuality in a population does not appear to change with new moral codes or social mores. Research findings suggest that efforts to repair homosexuals are nothing more than social prejudice garbed in psychological accouterments.
     
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    I really am interested... what do your parents think? Seriously. No joke.
     
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    You assume all animal species have the same behaviors. They, do not. Try again.
     
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    What does Racism have to do with
    anything ?
    Racism is carefully taught and passed on, this is well known fact.

    Who you love and take care of is quite another matter, except for those that reduce being Gay to a mere sex act.
     
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    Poster Nonnie confuses/equates racism with speciesism.
     
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    :applause:
     
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