Are some US and British media outlets biased on Israel & Paelstine?

Are some US and British media outlets biased on Israel & Paelstine? If you think so, explain why.

 

So you are saying that they work for the government of Israel? How could you possibly know that?

What do other news sources do that the NY Times doesn't do in regards to AIPAC?

Sorry, what does this have to do with media coverage, namely the New York Times' coverage? The above excerpt is reporting kills by Israeli snipers. What the hell?

So the BBC and The Guardian didn't mention the numbers killed? How does that make them biased in favour of Israel? They didn't mention Israeli deaths either - do you think that they should have?

"Legally allowed to get?" Does the law guarantee a certain amount?

 

I didnt vote because my option is not there. Some outlets are biased in either direction.

 

Interesting. Based on that, I have added it as a response. Which outlets are biased in either direction?

 

I think that’s too simplistic a question. I’m not convinced there are any mainstream news organisations that are institutionally biased in any direction. There will be a whole range of influences (internal and external) acting on all the different people involved at the various levels of those organisations work which could lead to their output not necessarily being as balanced and complete as it could be. Things like trying to report what they think people will want to read or what advertisers will find acceptable for example. It’s worth noting that this means any one organisation, even one individual, could apply bias in different directions at different times depending on the specific circumstances.

 

I think they all are just in different directions, and for different reasons.

 

All media outlets are bias to some degree. The reason is because they are run by humans.

 

American media over the years has been blindly pro Isreal.

Unflattering stories about Isreal were almost never reported in the United States, until the antifada in 1989 exposed the way Isrealis treat their Palestinian neighbors, and the dishonesty of Isreali policy toward Palestine.

Until then, most Americans based their idea of what Isreal is on a 1960 Hollywood movie. Many still do.

 

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It seems rather self evident that AIPAC's & other Israeli lobby members push for legislation that benefit the existing Israeli government. For whom else would they be working.


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It would depend on the news source but rarely do MSM sources expose the influence or even the existence of the 100+ pro Israel lobbies that drive US Policy

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If you read the article, it outlines how a few, specific news sources report on Israeli ethnic cleansing. I should have chosen a more salient excerpt.

"Killing Mosquitoes: The Latest Gaza Massacres, Pro-Israel Media Bias and The Weapon of “Antisemitism”"
https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/04/...el-media-bias-and-the-weapon-of-antisemitism/

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By refusing to publish the casualties, BBC, The Guardian etc hide the fact that the casualty rate is around 10 to 1 (10 Palestinians killed or wounded to 1 Israeli killed or wounded)
Yes, I think that they should have published the casualty numbers.


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No, but in some cases, the law restricts how much a person or organization can donate to a particular candidate.
That still doesn't keep Sheldon Anderson, CUFI etc from finding ways to donate $ Billions through various loopholes.

 

Working for AIPAC. Unless AIPAC is an arm of the government of Israel, then it cannot be said that they are working for the Israeli government, despite the fact that their work obviously benefits Israel

What do you think the reason is for this?

Why do you that they would want to intentionally hide the casualty rate? What would that achieve exactly?

 

But not now?

 

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That's right. AIPAC is not an official branch of the Israeli government but it lobbies for the goals of the current right wing Israeli government which has become even more right wing with the inclusion of Otzma Yehudit.


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I think that MSM is reluctant to discuss the power wielded by AIPAC simply because they don't want Americans to know the degree to which they are being exploited by a foreign power.


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The goal of most American MSM is to present the Israel - Palestinian conflict as an even match. If people knew that the enforcement of the Occupation were as one-sided as it is, that might inspire them to support BDS or a related pro Palestinian movement.

 

Any idea why they would want to do that?

Yes, Israel is a far more powerful military force. So what are you saying? That Israel should weaken its military to be equally matched to the pathetic Palestinian military?

 

The media as a whole has a liberal bias and by its' nature errs towards the Palestinians, not overwhelmingly but they instinctively favour the weak over the strong.

 

The American networks portray the Israelis as warmongers and the Palestinians as dumb, incompetent, and innocent victims.

 

some? most!

 

Which way?

 

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America's MSM downplays the enormous effect AIPAC and 100+ have on American politics because they don't want people to know that their US Foreign Policy is determined in Jerusalem, not Washington DC.
If Americans knew the extent to which American politicians routinely put the agenda of the Netanyahu regime ahead of America's best interests in the region, they would be outraged and furious.


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No, I'm simply suggesting that MSM should portray the "conflicts" more accurately as provoked massacres that comprise Israel's ethnic cleansing, Provoke-then-Massacre M.O.

"Moshe Dayan, in his diaries said: "Our strategy was always to provoke the Arabs and get an appropriate response so we could attack and smash them."
http://www.sott.net/signs/signs154.htm

 

"THEIR foreign policy?" The MSM's foreign policy?

So the MSM are covering for politicians?

Who is provoking who?

 

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No, my assertion is that MSM under reports the parasitic, pro war machinations of AIPAC & the 100+ similar right wing Israeli lobbies. That's why I said that America's Foreign policy is made in Jerusalem, not Washington DC.
It's not so much that MSM is covering for politicians but under reporting their (the politicians) fealty to Israel's current right wing regime


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Israel's right wing element provokes Palestine's native residents via its relentless land confiscation/ theft (aka "Settlements"). destruction of centuries old Palestinian olive groves(1), dumping raw sewage into Palestinian crops & villages(2), shooting children for "fun"(3), eradicating Palestinian crops(4) and the well known "Price Tagging" so popular with Israeli vandals to name a few.




(1) "Everyone Knows Settlers Cut Down Palestinian Olive Trees. But Israel Doesn't Care"
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...farmers-produce-israel-doesn-t-care-1.6618391


(2) “DEMONSTRATING THE HARMFUL EFFECTS CAUSED THROUGH THE ILLEGAL ISRAELI SETTLEMENT PRACTICE OF DUMPING WASTEWATER ONTO PALESTINIAN AGRICULTURAL LANDS”
http://www.arij.org/latest-news/479-...ral-lands.html


(3) “Video Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It”
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08...-you-share-it/


(4) “Israel Sprays Farms In Gaza With Poisonous Chemicals (Video)”
http://yournewswire.com/israel-spray...emicals-video/

 

Again, WHY would the MSM do this? How would they benefit? You haven't been able to answer this.

I am geographically restricted from viewing that article. Can you post it?

This is obviously terrible, but what will they get by retaliating?

We don't know the full story with this. IDF said that they were responding to violence. No evidence that they shot a kids who were doing absolutely nothing wrong.

 

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It is my experience that MSM is complicit with the numerous Israeli lobbies who shape US Mid East Policy and tends to underreport their impact on US Policy making so that Americans don't know the degree to which US Policy is actually made in Jerusalem. MSM doesn't do this for its own benefit, it underreports the impact of Israeli lobbies to deceive the American public.


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Unfortunately, the forum's Rule #15 prohibits any more than brief excerpts of other material. Also, Haaretz has a paywall after you've viewed 4 articles a month & I've exceeded this month's limit.

"Everyone Knows Settlers Cut Down Palestinian Olive Trees. But Israel Doesn't Care"
https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-tr...farmers-produce-israel-doesn-t-care-1.6618391
EXCERPT "Israelis coming from a nearby northern West Bank outpost damage trees, steal olives and throw stones, yet the Palestinian villagers say involving the police is a waste of time."CONTINUED


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Not much except to hopefully bring foreign pressure on Israel to stop its various forms of provocative ethnic cleansing.


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It would seem that if IDF members regretted killing children & pregnant mothers, they wouldn't wear T-Shirts celebrating their war crimes:

“Israeli Army T-Shirts Mock Dead Palestinian Babies, Bombed Mosques”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_177574.html

EXCERPT “Dead babies, mothers weeping on their children's graves, a gun aimed at a child and bombed-out mosques - these are a few examples of the images Israel Defense Forces soldiers design these days to print on shirts they order to mark the end of training, or of field duty. The slogans accompanying the drawings are not exactly anemic either: A T-shirt for infantry snipers bears the inscription "Better use Durex," next to a picture of a dead Palestinian baby, with his weeping mother and a teddy bear beside him.”CONTINUED

 

And why would the MSM want to deceive the American public?

By lots and lots of their people being killed?

Horrible stuff.

 

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Opinions vary but many of the same corporations who support America's pro Israel MSM profit from military conflicts and/or our "War on Terror" (aka "War on Islam")
The same corporations, individuals & entities who own & support US MSM benefit from convincing Americans that they "need" to support the current Israeli government and the regional conflicts it seeks(1), (2).

Truthfully, it is severely counterproductive for America's best long term regional interests to have US Troops occupying distant lands where their presence and acts of "collateral damage" do more to incite terrorist attacks than to repress them.

Briefly put, American MSM is selling Americans wars they don't need & support for a government that doesn't appreciate America's sacrifices:

Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html

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That appears to be their choice however I can think of no group of people who have suffered such a ruthless & brutal foreign invasion-occupation and meekly allowed themselves to be slaughtered & driven from their homes of generations.
I don't see how they have much choice as the Israeli government has made it clear that it does not want peace(3)

What would you do if grasping & ruthless foreign colonists took over your state, destroyed your home, killed your family, took your land and herded you into a densely populated open-air prison (i.e. Gaza)?


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Yes, the delight that some IDF members take in killing pregnant women ("One shot = 2 Kills") etc is truly repulsive.
There are, naturally former IDF members who strongly oppose IDF ruthlessness and expose IDF atrocities. But because Israel appears to be moving even more to the Right, they're getting little support.

You're not likely to hear much about them via America's MSM but one such group is:
"BREAKING THE SILENCE"
https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/about/organization




(1) "Netanyahu’s ‘War’ Comment Wasn’t an Accident"
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...etanyahu-s-iran-war-threat-wasn-t-an-accident

EXCERPT "The gathering of more 60 nations -- including Arab countries -- is, he said, an important step in pursuing their “common interest in advancing war with Iran."CONTINUED


(2) "Netanyahu & the Lobby Cowboy Up For War With Iran"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/netanyahu-the-lobby-cowbo_b_3611038.html


(3) "Israel Does Not Want Peace"
http://www.haaretz.com/peace/1.601112

EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone

Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides."CONTINUED

 

"Deceive the American public?" Wouldn't this make them an enemy of the people?