Are some US and British media outlets biased on Israel & Paelstine?

By repressing its publication, threatening publications who print it, boycotting publications that print it, reporting publications who print to the ADL, threatening companies who advertise in publications who print it etc.

Are you aware that there are about 15,000 Hasbara trolls who use the Act.IL App alone?
Are you familiar with the "Hasbara Handbook" or "Megaphone desktop tool"?

After Israel has betrayed the US so frequently, doesn't it bother you that Israel extorts so much in US tax dollars that could be spent on needy Americans to deceive so many people around the world?

 

And what is the evidence to support that all of this has happened?

 

The first White Paper was issued in 1922, two years after the first British Mandate that included the area east of the Jordan river that became The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

Source?

Say people who lived through those troubled times. Like Menachem Begin, who wrote about this. You must remember there's such a thing as books, surely?

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-hebron-massacre-of-1929

This nightmarish scenario repeated itself in other places. The survivors of massacres in Silwan and Gaza were likewise kicked out of their homes by the British and Jews were forbidden from returning to those places.

 

I am one of the few member of this forum who actually BACKUP their claims with sources and evidence.


"To understand the mechanism of land seizure in the West Bank, one must go back to the political history of the region. During the 19th and 20th centuries, the West Bank came under the successive rule of four different powers: the Ottomans, the British, the Jordanians, and the Israelis. Each left a legal and administrative trail behind them, the implications of which play a significant role in today’s legal reality. Since 1967, Israel has made use of Ottoman legislation dating back to the middle of the 19th century in order to declare land to be “State land.” According to that law, all lands are considered "State Land" unless proven otherwise. To formally register land as private property, one must cultivate it for at least ten years. If the land is not registered, one would be considered the owner as long as he cultivates it and pays taxes on it. If the land is not cultivated for three successive years, it may become the property of the Ottoman State, i.e. "State Land". Israel has also exploited the fact that during the Ottoman period only small parts of the land of the West Bank were formally registered to a specific owner. During the 1920’s, the British began a process of registering the land to the farmers who cultivated it or residents who owned houses that were built on it. This process continued throughout the Jordanian period. In 1968, the State of Israel stopped the land registration process by virtue of an injunction5 issued by the military governor in the occupied territories. It was claimed that the injunction was intended to protect the owners of land that had been abandoned (from other Palestinians who might try to register ownership of it in their absence), and to prevent the rights of these owners from being discriminated against. However, in reality, this injunction left thousands of square kilometers of agricultural land unregistered, where it eventually was declared "State Land" and used for the sole benefit of Israel."

https://peacenow.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/Breaking_The_Law_in_WB_nov06Eng.pdf

 

do you have any actual EVIDENCE for this claim, or is it simply unsourced, unverified and without evidence?

 

Your article says NOTHING about the Jews forced not to return to Hebron by the British.

 

looks like i won this debate

 

Read the White Papers. Read Menahem Begin's book The Revolt. Seek knowledge of opposing views to your preferred narrative. Until then, there's nothing to debate.

 

You want me to verify YOUR claim????


Hahaha!!!!

Too funny.

This is a debate forum. We provide evidence for our claims. Or we go home.

I provided evidence for my claim, you can do the same. I have faith.

 

First of all, sorry for the delay in responding; it's been a busy week and I try to respond to all civil Posts.

You'd find the answer to your question, it would be helpful if you answered my question which was:

Are you aware that there are about 15,000 Hasbara trolls who use the Act.IL App alone?
Are you familiar with the "Hasbara Handbook" or "Megaphone desktop tool"?

All advocacy groups operate the same, it's just that some have different loyalties, are wealthier, more influential and better organized than others.

 

It's very hard to have a debate with someone who completely ignores the wider historical context of the facts being discussed. That's why I told you to read some documents and books. It's not a matter of providing evidence for claims. It's about context.

Hebron:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-hebron-massacre-of-1929

The British effectively cleansed Hebron of its centuries old Jewish community.

Forbidding Jews to purchase land:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/history-and-overview-of-the-british-palestine-mandate

In light of the above, it becomes clear that the British policy of registering the land to Arabs who didn't really own it ran contrary to the goal itself of the Mandate - settlement of Jews on the land. The British - and later Jordanian - practice was intended to create an absolute Arab majority on the ground. No humanitarian concerns here, sorry.

 

No to both.

And what is the evidence to support that all of this has happened?

 

The Mandatory government did not succeed in maintaining the letter and spirit of the Mandate. Under Arab pressure, it withdrew from its commitment, especially with respect to immigration and land acquisition. The White Papers of 1930 and 1939 restricted immigration and acquisition of land by Jews. Later, immigration was limited by the 1930 and 1939 White Papers, and land acquisition by Jews was severely restricted by the 1940 Land Transfer Regulations.

Clearly the Arabs saw the writing on the wall.
Pity this was overturned 10 years later when the new Israel swarmed all over Palestine the moment the Mandate expired and just before Palestine could claim for independence.

 

I suppose that the most glaring example of Israel's Hasbara pressure campaign is America's costly and counterproductive "Israel First" foreign policy by which Israel's Hasbara trolls pressure US politicians to give Israel anything it wants.

Another is Hasbara's control over Facebook & Twitter. (1)

Another is Hasbara and CAMERA's manipulation of Wikipedia (2) to project a pro Israel, pro Jewish, anti German bias.

The evidence you're asking for is pretty much what you don't see because it's been censored and repressed like the Nakba.
For example, please simply compare the amount of publicity you see about the Holocaust to the amount of publicity you see about the Nakba.




(1) "How Israeli spies are flooding Facebook and Twitter"
https://electronicintifada.net/content/how-israeli-spies-are-flooding-facebook-and-twitter/27596


(2). "How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet"
https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/
EXCERPT
"Campaign to infiltrate Wikipedia"

CAMERA called for volunteers to secretly work on editing Wikipedia entries. It emphasized the importance of keeping the project secret. Volunteers were schooled in ways to elude detection. After they signed up as editors, they were to “avoid editing Israel-related articles for a short period of time.”CONTINUED

 

Well @Grau, has the media fairly covered the uprising in Israel?

 

I'm sure that the answers you get would depend on the person you asked.

Since you asked me, my first response must be that up until now MSM has underplayed the dangers posed by Netanyahu and his Right Wing extremists. Otherwise, I feel that the reporting on Israel's present turmoil has been generally fair.

Like the US, Israel's extremists pose the greatest threat to its fragile democracy.

Thanks,

 

Oh, so the MSM also covered the thousands protesting in favour of Netanyahu?

 

The more that I think about it the more I realize that few positive things have been reported about Netanyahu in MSM but that may be because of my own admitted bias against him.

My first loyalty is to the US and I feel that Netanyahu's leadership is neither in America's best interest nor Israel's best long term interests.

For Example:

“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” -- Benjamin Netanyahu

https://quotefancy.com/quote/134247...an-out-of-the-United-States-it-can-dry-up-and


What are your thoughts?

 

My thoughts are that this is just the latest piece of evidence that I am right and you are wrong on the MSM's Israel bias.

 

Please clarify.

It is my opinion that the Western MSM has a pro Israel bias when reporting, or, rather, not reporting on Israel's ethnic cleansing agenda, outright theft of Arab land and Israel's repeated betrayals of the US.

For example, every June 8th I check the major news outlets to see if there is any remembrance of the 34 American GIs who were murdered aboard the USS Liberty where there are lists of similar events.

If there are rare references to this egregious and deliberate betrayal, it is classified as an "accident" even though there was one Israeli pilot who refused to massacre Americans(1). He admitted that the IDF had orders to sink the ship and murder any survivors(2).

On the other hand, I still read commemorations to the Munich Olympic killings of Israelis, Leon Klinghoffer and rarely does a day pass when you don't read even more inflated tales of woe from our seemingly inexhaustible supply of "Holocaust survivors"

Finally, whenever there is fighting between the IDF and the Palestinians, Western MSM rarely ever interviews spokesmen from the Palestinian side and makes sure that the reader gets mainly the Israeli side of the story.

Re:

Of course I'm wrong, I'm married...




(1). "Israeli Pilot Speaks Up"
https://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html

EXCERPT "Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."CONTINUED



(2) "New revelations in attack on American spy ship"
https://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html#page=1

EXCERPT "The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it," Forslund recalled. "The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag.

"The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors."

Forslund said he clearly recalled "the obvious frustration of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink the target quickly and completely."

"He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and was frustrated with the pilots' responses that it didn't sink."
CONTINUED

 

Is SOME media biased in either direction? Sure. Some are biased in both.

But the vast majority is biased in favour of the Israeli regime. It leaves me to wonder what exactly Netanyahu would have to do to get the US to turn against him.

 

I'm not clear as to whether you mean getting the US to turn against Israel or, more specifically, to get the US to
reject the Netanyahu Regime since they are essentially the same today.

As far as Netanyahu goes, he clearly articulated the true nature of the US - Israeli alliance when he said:

“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” -- Benjamin Netanyahu (1)

He also noted that:

"My opinion of Christian Zionists? They're scum. But don't tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now."(2)

-- Benjamin Netanyahu

You asked exactly Netanyahu / Israel could do to get the US to turn against him / Israel.
I'm afraid that the Right Wing Israeli lobbies have such a stranglehold on our government that they could and have deliberately attacked the clearly marked USS Liberty and massacred 34 American G.I.s in international waters with impunity.
Not only was there no retaliation but Israel's lobbies were actually rewarded with the usual $ Billions for murdering 34 Americans and multiple violations of International Law.

Can you think of another country that could get away with destroying a US ship and murdering 34 G.I.s and still managing to extract $ Billions from professionally deceived American taxpayers.

If murdering American G.I.s isn't enough to get US politicians to stand up to Israel's numerous lobbies, we shouldn't expect Israel's relentless theft of America's Top Secrets(3) to motivate them either.
Not only does Israel spy on the US, it sells America's Top Secrets to China and other unfriendly governments.

So, to finally answer your question, it seems that as long as Israel's lobbies and America's infestation of disloyal "Israel Firsters" control our government, the Israelis and Netanyahu government can continue to betray and prey on naive American citizens.

Thanks,


(1). https://quotefancy.com/quote/134247...an-out-of-the-United-States-it-can-dry-up-and


(2) https://www.inspiringquotes.us/quotes/7kIB_4CbQIeuh

(2). https://www.quotemaster.org/qb85ed8a08114393645be30bb9a801ad5


(3) "ISRAEL WON'T STOP SPYING ON THE US"
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/16/israel-wont-stop-spying-us-249757.html

EXCERPT "The Jewish state’s primary target: America’s industrial and technical secrets.

“No other country close to the United States continues to cross the line on espionage like the Israelis do,” said a former congressional staffer who attended another classified briefing in late 2013, one of several in recent months given by officials from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the State Department, the FBI and the National Counterintelligence Directorate." CONTINUED

 

You said: "the more that I think about it the more I realize that few positive things have been reported about Netanyahu in MSM." So does the Western MSM have a pro-Isreal bias or not?

 

Pretty much all media outlets are biased and want to make the news itself rather than just reporting on it.

 

I am not bothered by biased media outlets per se. I am bothered when their bias drives their journalism. I have no problem with the Epoch Times bias because they strictly separate their opinions -- in an entirely separate section called "Opinions". I despise the NY Times bias because it determines what hey report as news.