Are the Palestinians the Jews NOT expelled from Judaea after Bar Kochba Revolt?

Yes.. they are.. The Romans never expelled any local population.. The people who stayed behind were peasant farmers who maintained the Ancient Roman stone terraces, raised sheep, millet, vegetables and planted and tended olive trees. Some later converted to Chrisianity and later to Islam.

 

The whole of Palestine never had a large population. Numbers were grossly exaggerated. All of David's kingdom was fewer than 20 small villages.

 

Yes, Mr. Roth's statistic of 400,000 is from BEFORE the Bar Kochba Revolt.....but it is critical to remember that the Messianic Jewish and Messianic Gentile (largely Samaritan) community DID NOT JOIN in the Bar Kochba Revolt....so why would the Romans kick them out of the land since the teachings within Christianity was to pray for Roman political officials and even walk the second mile if a Roman mail carrier requited you to carry his package one mile or so???

 

Margot, this is a commonly held misconception but if the population of Judaea by the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt was not quite large....why would the Roman legions sustain heavy losses and take three years to crush the revolt?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt

 

You worded this very accurately to say that some later converted to Christianity because the teachings of Cephas/Peter bore little resemblance to the ideas of the church at the time of the conversion of Emperor Constantine!

It is interesting to note that Cephas/Peter is not obsequiously obedient to Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua....even after the resurrection....and it is interesting that Peter has a deep respect for the Levitical food laws!


http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Act&c=10&v=1&t=KJV#top

Act 10:13

 

Thank you immensely Klipkap for having one hundred percent understanding of the point that I am attempting to make....now I feel that I must diverge off into a theory on how the next seven years will, I believe, usher in an entirely new era between Israeli Jews and Palestian Muslims and Christians who consider that the modern near death experience phenomena is helping us to better understand what Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua was actually teaching!


Why Don’t Jews Believe In Jesus?
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/

I must disagree with this idea that prophecy had ended. Actually, I am of the belief that the Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) was in a sense a genuine prophet and had perhaps had an extensive out of the body or near death experience?!

I regard that Baruch 6:6 of the Catholic Bible identifies the Being of Light of NDE fame as the Logos/Word of Christian thought. A Jewish scholar might say the "Spirit of Moshiach stored in Gan Eden?"

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/30006.htm
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Do you remember how much trouble Moses/Moshe got into when he hit the rock with his staff as opposed to simply pointing at it?

Well, all of us, whether we are Jewish or Christian or Islamic tend to be considerably more willing to hit each other with words than we would be if we had a larger and more full picture of all that is really happening here on this earth. The following article by Kevin Williams is brilliant and has the power to play a significant role in altering the relationship between Islamic diplomats with Jewish or Christian politicians or diplomats, who will take as serious look at the case that can be presented that the Prophet Mohammed,(peace be upon him), actually had a genuine prophetic gift.

His idea that the desert areas of Islamic nations will be turned green with vegetation in the latter days previous to the resurrection of the dead is a critical one if we are going to capitalize on the concerns over climate change and use them to promote economic growth as well as peace!

http://www.near-death.com/muslim.html

 

Here is a quotation from the Qur'an/Koran that I could not personally understand until about one month ago.....

Note: I am a Christian. I believe that Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua was resurrected from the dead....but important details from the time of the crucifixion all the way to the resurrection were revealed in the NDE and later meditations by Bruce Fraser MacDonald Ph. D.

Dr. MacDonald was shown how Judas Thomas Didymus (the twin brother of Jesus), conspired with Cephas/Peter, Judas, Joseph of Armiathea and a theatrically inclined disciple named Saul (not Paul) to attempt to keep Rabbi Jesus from being killed.

What Dr. MacDonald was shown fits amazingly well in explaining the crucifixion and resurrection as not only a Passover event but also a Yom Kippur event???!!

When the time comes that every Christian diplomat, every Islamic diplomat and every Jewish diplomat involved in bringing peace to the Middle East has read and understood the NDE of Dr. MacDonald the atmosphere will be altered in the room as peace is discussed....because we Christians will be DEEPLY humbled....and humility is a key element in genuine peace!

The story begins around page 140 of this book.....you will be astonished......I certainly was!!!!

http://www.eloquentbooks.com/TheThomasBook.html

I actually purchased the Google version of this book myself. It was only $7.91.

 

The Roman Empire was a slave colonial Empire. Conquered and defeated peoples were enslaved and used elsewhere in the Empire. The depopulated or scarcely populated territories were colonized by soldiers and other Roman citizens as a way to control the territory and to give the essentially peasant Romans - land and wealth which would be populated by new slaves from elsewhere.
This was common Roman practice for over 1,000 years.

 

Valid points but Rome had the intelligence to reward groups that DID NOT join in a revolt against them!

 

The Romans weren't zionists: they never expelled populations, though they did massacre them. Obviously the Palestinians are (mostly) descended from the Old Testament Jews, the zionists (mostly) not. It is the intellectual heritage that counts, and the zionists are 100% nazi racists.

 

My last name is English and in many ways the evil that we did all over the world is comparable to the actions and mentality of Germany's Nazi government!

Do you know the history of how we treated the First Nations peoples of the Canadian province of Newfoundland?


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tate4CentralNova/message/16
Holocaust on First Nations peoples

 

The population of Palestine was never very large. If you read about Jews in Rome and Alexandria and in Elephantine the Diaspora began 400 years before Christ.

That wasn't Roman mail.. it was just any Roman's soldier's pack.... and the reason to carry them was how to cope with the occupation.

 

Lots of gross exaggerations.. Palestine couldn't support a large population.. Look at that nonsense about the Romans burning 63 million Jewish babies at Bittar. Remember the Roman garrisons traveled on foot. All the Bible tales of huge armies are bogus.

 

The population of Palestine was at an all time low at the time of Mark Twain's visit to the area but a lot can happen in 1700 years!!!???

.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Articles/Story845.html

 

I have wondered how much of Palestine Twain saw.. I saw 300 year old olive trees everywhere. David's kingdom was about 20 small village and Solomon's not much bigger.

 

I don't see the statistic of 63 million Jewish babies at Bittar in this article. The numbers that I read seem quite reasonable:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt

This dramatic alteration in the relationship between the leadership of Rabbinic Judaism with the leadership of Rome set the stage for the anti-Semitic actions of Emperor Constantine!

 

Wow!

For twenty small villages to pay enough taxes to support the construction of the Jerusalem Temple by King Solomon...not to mention his even larger palace.....that saying about Solomon being the wisest king who lived during that time period must have a basis in historical fact!!!!????

No wonder poor King Rehoboam faced a population that were tired of paying relatively high taxes!!!

 

I thought we were discussing the occupation of Palestine. If I spared by the zionist censorship here, let's discuss Canada under an appropriate heading.

 

An admission of guilt, if done properly, fits in with Yom Kippur and can give the discussion an atmosphere of humility as opposed to pride and blaming the entire situation on others.

I was attempting to set an example of grabbing onto my own portion of guilt in each situation....which could be taken as an example rather than an insult?!

The time is coming when the Jewish Sanhedrin may elaborate on why it had been a serious error by their ancestors to toss the "goat for Azazel" off a cliff as opposed to letting him go free into a wilderness area as they had rather clearly been told to do!!!!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7647325/
Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!
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The Temple wasn't large and it was modeled after temples in Byblos ..

Solomon's temple; 90 feet x 30 = 2700 sq.ft.

 

Gittin 58a .. and I misremembered the village. Its Bethar.

 

Good point! The entire Temple Mount area is only about 35 acres but yes, the specific portion for the Temple itself was not huge.

I was watching Simcha Jacobovici a few days ago and his guest, Tuvia Sagiv presents a theory that the area of the original Temple of Solomon is NOT on top of the Dome of the Rock but well off to the side so that both the Jerusalem Third Temple as well as the Dome of the Rock could perhaps be side by side to each other!

http://www.templemount.org/mtmoriah.html

 

Wow, you were correct Margot!

I am glad that you introduced me to this writing!

Gittin 58a can be compared with the Book of Lamentations!

400 x 400 x 400 = 64,000,000

http://www.come-and-hear.com/gittin/gittin_58.html

 

Lots of stories don't make sense.. Sinai doesn't have a 2 million population even now.