Are the Palestinians the Jews NOT expelled from Judaea after Bar Kochba Revolt?

Some awfully intelligent people are writing Wikipedia and the associated webpages:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_population_of_Judea_in_Jesus'_time

All that I know is that this number would correspond reasonably well with the statistics available regarding the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C. E.

 

More like a half million population.. for all of Palestine. They simply didn't have the water resources.. Especially in Judea.

 

When King Josiah wanted to reunite Judea and Israel... he had too make their scriptures match... so Ezra the scribe was instructed to combine the stories and traditions. That's the reason the OT got a rewrite..Deuteronomy was added.. and the reigns of David and Solomon were exalted to try and compare with the richness of Babylon.

 

On the other hand parts of North Africa that are now desert were once given the term "breadbasket of the Roman Empire."

One of the ways in which we humans affect climate is monoculture over decades and centuries which can deplete the soil. Deforestation is also a major mistake that we make.

Mr. Geoff Lawton of the Permaculture Institute has stated that our habits of burning the stock of the plants left from the last crop is an astonishingly unwise practice.

It is possible that all of us might be amazed how much more green Judaea and even North Africa was during the first century?!

Margot, I do have to admit though that your skepticism is based on what seems to be sound reasoning. You are of course correct that the amount of water available would have a huge impact on population!

 

Interesting theory!

Your idea of a rewrite in the time of King Josiah sounds logical but....if these writers were attempting to glorify the kingdom of David...why in the world would they have him running around the wilderness of Judaea with so few as 400 followers capable of bearing arms....during the time between his being anointed and prayed for by Samuel to the time when he succeeded King Saul!!?????

 

The Nile Delta could grow food.. but the deserts of Libya and Egypt were just as arid then as they are now.

You might enjoy this

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion-philosophy/277002-king-david-founding-father.html

[video=youtube;KQemRW2yOb4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KQemRW2yOb4[/video]

 

Parts of Tunisia were also once known as part of the breadbasket of the Roman Empire!

http://www.saharaconservation.org/?Tunisia

The nation of Israel has made a huge development in finding a use for the extremely salty brine that is left over after desalination. This development can play a huge role in the fulfillment of the prediction by the Prophet Mohammed, (peace be upon him) that the Islamic lands that are now deserts, will be turned green in the latter days before the resurrection of the dead! (You can read that prediction back on page one of this thread....last post on bottom of page)!

http://israel21c.org/environment/israel-confronts-world-hunger-with-a-solar-powered-desert-oasis/

 

I havent spent any time in Tunisia but Lebanon is well watered ....

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I havent spent any time in Tunisia but Lebanon is well watered ....

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Over half of the country is made up of arid lands receiving less than 200mm rainfall a year, the majority of this falling during the winter months. Most of Tunisia’s 10 million citizens live in the more urbanised northern part of the country. The rest of the land is used mostly for agriculture and livestock raising.

 

Based partly on the NDE of Dannion Brinkley I believe that a deal with the nation of Jordan can play a key in genuine peace coming to the Middle East.


Please keep in mind Mr. Brinkley was shown A BRANCH of time....but not OUR branch of time....which is obviously much less violent ....We are the recipients of more of the grace of our Creator:

Dannion Brinkley:
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/61029248/Dannion-Brinkley-Paul-Perry-Saved-by-the-Light

In this discussion I attempted to explain that there is some pretty convincing evidence that the goal of the Creator/The God of Abraham...is to save absolutely everybody and apparently one of the major methods is to replicate the earth as it was at specific moments in the past....and then spin off other branches of time that are vastly more positive and less violent than what was seen by the participants in the Helen Wambach Ph. D. Dr. Chet Snow study conducted fro 1980 - 1983!!! Each of these new branches of time fulfill Ezekiel chapter 37 over and over and over and over and over again! Twenty five years ago I thought of Ezekiel 37 as being a one time event.....now I am almost certain that I was wrong!

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...eventually-led-back-heaven-paradise-love.html
Universal Salvation, is everybody eventually led back to heaven/paradise/love?

 

The river Jordan is down to a trickle and its a sewer.. It will take 100 year to be restored.

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The river Jordan is down to a trickle and its a sewer.. It will take 100 year to be restored.

 

Wow! I didn't know that!

No wonder such a high percentage of drinking water in Israel and even in China is now being produced through desalination!

I am so glad that solar desalination is being improved to the place where it can compete with oil powered!

 

THa't is ofcourse , if any undertook the task to undertake any sort of restoration project,

Shame . on those who've destroyed it.

 

Bender - pls resist the temptation to bend historical facts .

Do you or can you force yourself to agree , that BEFORE the invasion of the Land of Canaan by runaway Egyptian slaves who called themselves " Hubiru/Hupiru" He-broos " there was also a region called PHILISTIA ./ Falasteen ?
imo - one can safely dispatch yr so-called "preliminary historical fact " to the Refuse Bin .

Its crap , no Jew really believes it - its a trick to gain + justify Zionists criminal activities .- only dumbest Goy might swallow.it .

tata.

 

Organizing an infinite number of Big Bang events over infinite time in the past makes fixing the Jordan River look like a piece of cake!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html#a05
5. The Void


http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eze&c=47&v=1&t=KJV

Ezekiel 47:1 ¶

...Eze 47:8

 

I was at my NDP friends home a few years ago and he made the accurate assessment that: "The Social Credit Party is gone but the NDP is here!"

This was an accurate statement....and yes....I was indeed tempted to join the NDP but I tested the waters and found out that I would need to be angrier than I actually am in order to fit in!

The Philistines are gone.....but the Jews are here.....and they have some pretty serious backing!!!!


Ezekiel 37:22

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eze&c=37&t=KJV#22

 

(From page 2): Klipkap, I think that you may find this statement interesting and relevant to the discussion:

Wow, but this is one amazingly logical thinker at work here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Gods_Peace_Plan_for_the_Holy_Land/message/5

http://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?v...BjLE28YyDIxcyEO7_TA_giuRN#commentID_118839167
God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land.

 

Which NDP ? Albania / Canada or Zimbabwe ?

What do you think happened to the people of Philistia + other non-Hebrew Phoenicians / Canaanites ?


Who are those "Jews " who you think "are here" ?

"I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you"

Revelation 3:9

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Enough with Bible quotes , which IMO - is an unreliable source filled with contradictions .

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If you happen to be a believer , O K - but dont expect everyone else to accept selective extracts to justify godless atheist Zionists so-called " Jews" hijacking Judaism to continue their criminal activities against non-Jewish Palestinians (both Christian/Muslim )

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The Canadian NDP, New Democratic Party!

Actually Marlowe, you are onto something important. In my opinion, Rabbi Akiva made a number of serious errors. For one he genuinely felt that Simon Bar Kochba was the Messiah who would restore the Kingdom of David. Obviously he was incorrect.

A more serious error though, was his idea that in the new Judaean kingdom, there was no room for Messianic Jews or Messianic Gentiles, believers in Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua as Messiah the Passover Lamb!

This more serious error is what led to the division between the ancestors of the Palestinian people and the ancestors of the Rabbinic Jewish community!

You are correct that Rabbi Akiva made a serious error....and paid dearly for his error!!!!

On the other hand according to what was shown to Bruce Fraser MacDonald Ph. D. beginning on page 140 of his book I as a Christian owe a massive apology to the newly formed Jerusalem Sanhedrin and to all Rabbinic Jews!!!!!

http://books.google.ca/books/about/The_Thomas_Book_Near_Death.html?id=kbiGjKJl4D4C

I also owe a big apology to all Moslems because it seems that The Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) was actually correct in the following assertion:

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Dennis , I'm not a religous person - I choose to let most of it just drift by. I do not see a clash between religions in essence, but rather that the belief system make powerful weapons in the hands of many with much darker motives.

In a Political forum such as this , IMO - any serious discussion abt theology might be best left to theologians.


You are ofcourse correct in pointing out Akiva/Bar Kochba's foolishness in challenging the might of Rome +misplacing trust in their god.


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I ran into another Islamic prophecy that has a great deal of potential to play a significant role in inspiring us to alter monetary policy sufficiently so that investment in turning deserts green is made possible. This will also be needed to research and develop green energy devices.


https://www.facebook.com/notes/fazlul-islam/second-coming-of-jesus/276136002396496




SECOND COMING OF JESUS. by Fazlul Islam

http://www.bankingsystemsflaws.blogspot.ca/
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You would be astonished how many of our political leaders do not understand the tremendous benefits of historical Canadian monetary policy.

http://www.michaeljournal.org/appenB.htm

 

Well Dennis, with your understanding of spiritual works, the archaeological findings, the genetic evidence and the historical annecdotes by Rabbi Stein and others, it seems that we have the answer to your OP question:

.... yes, indeed, what we today refer to as Palestinians are the descendants of the occupants of Roman Palestina and surroundings who did not participate in the diaspora but remained in the "Holy Land". They therefore have an unbroken and direct link to that land of many millennia.

Now all we need to do is to get the Apologists to see the light and internalise the facts.

The Palestinians are your blood brothers. They even carry the Cohenic priestly Jewish gene

 

Exactly what I have been thinking klipkap!

Here a gambit I began just this morning to attempt to get people to look at the whole question differently:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7728207-5/

Would the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple stabilize the climate???


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So who did the Jews of 1300 BC steal the land from?

 

In 1500 there were 5k Jews in Palestine, 3% of the population. In 1700, 2000, less than 1%. In 1800 there were 7000, again about 3% of the population.

Due to the efforts of Zionism and aliyah however, which began about 1850, by 1947 there were over 600k Jews in Palestine, 30% of the population. And even though at that time they comprised less then a third of the pop and owned less then 20% of the land, the UN decided to give 65% of the land to the new State of Israel, with the Palestinians picking up whatever scraps were left over for their country. And most of those portions were segmented, surrounded by the State of Israel.

So, religious and ethnic considerations aside, if you were Palestinian is that a deal you would sign off on?

For those who don't know how this shatstorm started, now you do.

 

Here is Jewish land ownership and settlement in 1947.



Yet here is the partition plan of the UN.



Anything look funny to you?