Are Trump supporters Bush supporters?

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  1. Margot2

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    Kuwait was stealing Iraqi oil.. KSA had forgiven Iraqi OPEC quota debt while Saddam was busy fighting our proxy war against Iran.. Kuwait didn't and proceeded to take more Iraqi oil.

    Further, and more importantly Iraq was crippled by two decades of war and sanctions before Dubya's invasion.
     
  2. Reasonablerob

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    Because everyone was living in a fools paradise where the war on terror and the liberation of Iraq weren't even on the horizon and Al Gore was dull as dishwater?
     
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    Of course Bush, and Cheney share the ultimate responsibility, but disbanding the Iraqi Military was bremer’s call.
     
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    When did Bremer make that call?

    How Disbanding the Iraqi Army Fueled ISIS.

    The Bush Administration tapped Paul Bremer to head the so-called Coalition Provisional Authority on May 11, 2003. Twelve days later, he issued an order wiping away the Iraqi military, with a pledge to build a new one from scratch, untainted by any ties to Saddam’s regime.

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    http://time.com/3900753/isis-iraq-syria-army-united-states-military/
     
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    Early days of the CPA, around may of 03. I remember **** hit the fan after he made the call.
     
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    Provisional Coalition Administrator of Iraq
    Bremer was appointed by President Bush as Presidential Envoy to Iraq on May 9, 2003. His appointment declared him subject to the "authority, direction and control" of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

    Bremer arrived in Iraq in May 2003.[9] On May 11 he replaced Lt. General Jay Garner as Director of the Office for Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance. In June, the Office was transformed into the Coalition Provisional Authority, and Bremer became the country's chief executive authority.

    As the holder of the "most powerful foreign post held by any American since Gen. Douglas MacArthur in Japan",[12] he compared himself to MacArthur as well as General Lucius Clay, who was in charge of the American zone in Germany following its defeat in World War II.[13]

    As the top civilian administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority, Bremer was permitted to rule by decree. Among his first and most notable decrees were Coalition Provisional Authority Order Number 1, which banned the Ba'ath party in all forms[14] and Coalition Provisional Authority Order Number 2, which dismantled the Iraqi Army.

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    See above... May 11th
     
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    Don’t have to read it, I was there. My unit had to move towards Baghdad from Diyala because all hell broke loose.
     
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    So your experience of the Middle East is in wartime conditions.. Thank you for your service.
     
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    Most of the time I think I could could have gone without that experience, but thank you anyways.
     
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    But that's a tough judgement call, had he not done so the Shia majority would have just said 'Oh nothing's changed'. Honestly it's hard to say whether that was the right thing to do or not?
     
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    His decision directly led to the insurgency.
     
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    Point taken, but Shia think their clergy is infallible and I have found them to be more volatile and prone to riot than Sunnis.
     
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    We don't know that, AQ would always have tried something. It could have left our guys facing a much larger Shia insurgency?
     
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    The hell we don’t, I was on the ground when it happened. There was a Shia insurgecy, led by Al Sader.
     
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    And how much worse could it have been if we had not 'De-Bathified' the army? It may have been the lesser of two dreadful evils. Ultimately of course this is all conjecture but I don't think you can blame one man for the eruption of feuds which have lasted centuries.
     
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    De-bathification was pure stupidity at its finest. In Iraq you weren’t going to go anywhere in life if you were part of the Bath Party. We literally fired everyone who ran the country, which added to the chaos.
     
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    Again what would the attitude of the Shia majority have been if nothing had changed?
     
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    I don’t know what their reaction would have been, that’s just a guess. I know for fact, that Bremer’s decision helped lead to a insurgency, and sectarian bloodletting.
     
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    Undoubtedly but I think it unfair to assume there would have been none without it?
     
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    Real conservatives would never support a Bush again. They did do the right thing in finally sinking Jeb.
     
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