Are we created equal?

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  1. Str8Edge

    Str8Edge New Member

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    It seems progressives aren't understanding what "created equal" means in terms of Declaration of Independence as they continually whine about economic egalitarianism......

    They are created equal in the eyes of the state, meaning the state treats each citizen equally in regards to the law. It also implies each citizen has the inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness(property).

    Egalitarianism, in a social philosophy sense(economic egalitarianism), is that every citizen should be afforded the same economic status as everyone else. It's basically the crux of socialism/ communism as the goal was to ensure each citizen got the same amount of stuff and of course the only way to make that happen was to put the state in control of the economy/production. Then the state could distribute what it produces evenly.

    One promotes freedom and one promotes slavery to the state. Why is it EVERYTHING progressives advocate for, forces the individual to slave for someone else? Do they HATE freedom for the individual?
     
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    Str8Edge New Member

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    In short, YOU don't deserve ANYTHING someone else earned. Now they may hand it to you voluntarily.
     
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    mutmekep New Member

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    This statement makes capitalism pretty much impossible .
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Earning money is how you make it in capitalism. You have to get people to pay you voluntarily. In all your plan they have to pay because someone has a gun to their head or will if they refuse. Can't tell what is earned in that society. No voluntary exchange of goods.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    not hardly, we believe in safety nets for those in poverty, not that every person should enjoy the same standard of living, we just don't want another Mexico like the far right does

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    yeah, we should do away with public roads, public services of any kind and the like? not hardly
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The republican dream...

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-29-2013/america-2--now-with-more-freedom
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/t...--now-with-more-freedom---glenn-beck-s-utopia

    Hitler would be proud of them....

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    Mr. Swedish Guy New Member

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    What is equality? what does it mean to 'earn'?
     
  8. Str8Edge

    Str8Edge New Member

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    Ya, we know..... We're stealing your burger flipping earnings. :roflol:
     
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    Taken from one who earned and handed to another who didn't. All brought to you by government force. How Marxist of you.



    Infrastructure doesn't take from one who earns and hands to another who didn't. It's actually what the founding fathers intentioned in the phrase "general welfare". You see how it benefits the GENERAL WELFARE? They also didn't have an income tax in place for a REASON either but I guess that's another debate.....

    It simply amazes me how if I were to clean out everything a progressive owns(assuming I break into their mom's basement) by gunpoint, they'd call the police. But when the government takes from one who earns and hands to another who didn't, by force, it's totally cool brosef! :roflol: It's not STEALING because "poor" people "think" they have more right to YOUR earnings than you do....... :roflol: Too funny!
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sure it does, if one doesn't own a car, you take their taxes and use it for your roads - same with other public services

    part of living in America is paying taxes for a better society, a civil society, plenty of options south of the border if that is not something one wishes to pay for


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    Hitler was a big government fascist who believed in dictated living wages, guaranteed jobs, protection from being fired, universal government funded retirement and social security, taxes on the wealthy, industry specific taxes, government run auto manufacturers etc...

    You know, the same economic platform you and the progressives support. The man tripled the size of government before the war. You would love him. He even shares the lefts distaste for the Jewish people.
     
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    It seems people who start posts with "It seems progressives aren't understanding.... " are lacking some basic mental capabilities, so I'd say not every one is born equal in the intelligence or physical ability sense.
    But politically, "all persons are born free and equal", here anyway, in Massachusetts, because that is article one of our constitution......
     
  13. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the lefts distaste for Jewish people? where do you get that from? was that meant to be a factual statement?
     
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    That's funny. I wasn't lacking it when I graduated valedictorian with a 3.94 GPA.

    Are you born with the right to what other people earn?
     
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    We are born naked with nothing. Where is beomes unequal is if that person take personal responsibility for their life. Some do, and they are the workers, some dont and they are the welfare drones in the country that whine and demand more.
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Oh yes. Occupy Wall Street, all the lefties here I met, and Naomi Klein all hate the Jewish people. Naomi Klein calls for their extermination as does occupy Wall Street.

    You agree with his platform don't you? See a lot of similarities economically don't you? Because the new left are fascists. That is why.
     
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    Progressives/liberals aren't socialists/communists.

    Why do you insist on constantly creating giant

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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Since when aren't they? You are thinking of the old left. The new left is very much socialists and/or commie sympathizers.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I appreciate the RW's need to create strawmen in order to even try to make an argument. But good look finding and progressive liberals here who have ever argued for equal incomes for all or abolishing private enterprise.
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    What do you think income inequality arguments are? Nationalizing health care? Nationalizing the home mortgage industry? Want to see Maxine waters calling for nationalizing the energy industry?
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    False dichotomy straw man. The fact that there are arguments against the huge increase in inequality that has developed since "trickle down" became the policy is not making an argument that we should all have equality of station. And the fact that there are certain industries that Govt can provide for better is not an argument for abolishing free enterprise.
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    There is no such thing as trickle down anything unless you are referring to Obama stimulus money in which case I agree.
     
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    Assuming you don't understand capitalism. If the capitalist class were an aristocracy then yes, you'd be right. But they're not.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, the policies of the "Reagan Revolution" which have dominated the US for most of the past 30 years.
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Big prosperity during those times. More left poverty under Reagan then Obama that is for sure. Don't you care about reducing poverty?
     

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