Are we created equal?

Sarcastic as I have absolutely NO idea why you would think, I think government is supernatural......

 

Going back to your initial comment:

I'm asking for an explanation. Why can individuals not fulfill these things but governments can?

 

Why didn't you ask for an explanation from the beginning? Didn't you understand when I asked you if you could protect against a foreign invader by yourself??????

I never implied we NEEDED government. I implied we needed MORE than one person to achieve the goal.......

 

I did ask for an explanation behind why individuals and governments were distinguishable from the beginning.
Now it's clearer. We don't need "government" per se, but we need more than one individual cooperating with each other to achieve certain goals. I agree. However, the post that I quoted was in response to me asking you why taxation was permissible when you stated in the OP that taking earned money by force was immoral. Yes, we need multiple people to cooperate for many purposes, but this does not equate to a necessity for forced rather than earned revenue.

 

We are equal, or at least should be, under the law and in the eyes of God. We are not, however, equal in mental and physical matters.

 

Some people I've known, namely liberal Atheists, are opposed to the word created in the phrase. Now to be clear I'm not talking about people who misunderstand the meaning, I'm talking about those who get the political meaning of the phrase.

I usually put it like this: so you're an atheist, and you object to the phrase "CREATED equal"? Do you think it'd be easier to get religious fundamentalists to respect your natural rights if you call them 'state given rights' or 'God given rights'?"

Just speaking from experience, liberal Atheists tend to be more concerned with words, conservative Atheists more concerned with consequence.

 

just because one shops more doesn't mean one pays more sales tax per dollar they spend - any more so then anyone that earns more is tax more per dollar they earn - you been drinking to much republican koolaid

 

If I were to set the tax plan - it would be like this

a flat tax where everyone pays the same % for every dollar they earn over the poverty line, it is the only fair system

all income needs to be treated as income, no caps, everyone pays the same 35% across the board for every dollar earned over the poverty line

the % can go up or down, but it goes up or down for everyone.....

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That drivel isn't even worth a response.

 

only cause you do not want to admit it's the truth... btw, your response wasn't worth a response, but felt I would give you one anyways

 

Sorry. Sales tax is definitely dependent on how much you spend.......

Income tax is definitely dependent on how much you make.....

 

and that is the way it should be, the more dollars you send the more dollars your taxed on, same should be true with income....

 

The SAME is true for both so why did you attempt to claim otherwise in the post above??????

 

Well said.

We are equal under the law. That means that we each have the same Constitutionally protected rights.

That's where it ends. After that, life's tough; wear a cup.

 

Yes they did and this is because Sovietia 's regime was state capitalism.

You missed the point , capitalism means that the many work and the few enjoy the products of their labor and this is why capitalism is exploitative.
I guess all those children miners 100 years ago worked 18 hours per day on their own volition .....

 

She asked you to answer a question, as did I, and you dodge it as you did with me. Do you really thinks this goes unnoticed? Then you have the gall to claim she's playing games?

 

Yes, she's playing games because if she honestly answered the question, she would have had the proof she was looking for DUH. Attempting to deflect answering by asking another question is playing games. Similar to what you're doing NOW.

 

Progressives don't want equal income or equal distribution of wealth, they want equal opportunity. Do you think people who advocate for individual opportunity "hate freedom for the individual?"

 

We have equal opportunity. We all have access to the same infrastructure, the same colleges and the same banks/private investment...... What MORE do you want?

 

Well personally I want equal income and equal wealth, and whatever you have to do to make it so. Equal opportunity will follow.

 

^^^^^^^^^ Well, there's your progressive calling for equal income and wealth.

What he doesn't tell you is he lives in a million dollar house so he's one of the FIRST ones we'd be confiscating wealth from.... Why don't you show the board some pics of your house?

 

I could, but I don't deny what you say. No, the first ones to go are the 20% at the top that controls 85% of the wealth. The very reason we need to level the playing field and start the capitalist game over again.

 

I could, but I don't deny what you say. No, the first ones to go are the 20% at the top that controls 85% of the wealth. The very reason we need to level the playing field and start the capitalist game over again. Your pretty good with figures, how much of that would fill your pocket? Probably not much by the time we equalized the bottom half. The total wealth is around $188 Trillion, so there would be some serious trickle down going on like Reagan had said. Each citizen would be worth $626,667.00 That should be enough to buy momma a new set of shoes. Even at that, I would sacrifice in order to achieve that goal.

 

Talk is CHEAP. REAL CHEAP.

 

Yes, your cheap talk is always cheap. Do you think you are going to take it with you? That is a rough per-person figure, so a family of three,............ 3X $626,667.00 = That is plenty, probably more than you could pass on to your child. There would likely be winners and losers in this equality game. I would probably break even because my wealth will go onto the family members who are each going to get the $626,667.00 , which maybe more than I could leave each of them.