Are You Comfortable With Kamala Harris, "a heartbeat from the presidency".

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Are You Comfortable With Kamala Harris, "a heartbeat from the presidency".

  1. No

    35 vote(s)
    59.3%
  2. Yes

    24 vote(s)
    40.7%
  1. pol meister

    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    I haven't really looked into #3 much, and when I have, there doesn't seem to be much information on it. It does show up on a google search though as this:

    A Presidential candidate must be: A natural born citizen (U.S. citizen from birth) At least 35 years old and. A U.S. resident (permanently lives in the U.S.) for at least 14 years.
     
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    You don't have to be born on USA soil, just Naturalized from birth, aka Natural Born.
     
  3. pol meister

    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    What seems odd to me, is that in a country of maybe 200 million or so natural-born-citizens 35 years old or older, the Democrats couldn't come up with a VP candidate who was one? What does that tell you about the Democratic party of today? If they can't even properly vet their own VP candidate, what can we trust them on?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Your BOGUS premise has been COMPLETELY debunked.

    Deal with it!
     
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    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    That's the type of response people give when they know they've lost the argument, but don't want to admit it.
     
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    I voted "no" because I am uncomfortable with Kama-la entirely. However, I do not believe she's a "heartbeat away" from being president.
     
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    These articles seem to look at it from a different perspective:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause#Foreign_soil_and_territories
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/natural_born_citizen
     
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    Articles are a dime a dozen and they will say what the author wants them to say.

    There are thee types of US citizenship:

    1) Those born on US soil to citizen parents. These are called "natural-born" citizens.
    2) Those derived from a Congressional Act (US Code 1401) These are called "nationals," or "citizens," or "citizens at birth," but never "natural-born" citizens.
    3) The type derived from "naturalization." These are those who are not citizens to begin with, but gain citizenship through the "naturalization" process.

    Only those from "Type 1" are qualified to run for president or VP. Harris is from Type 2, and is thus unqualified to run for the slot of VP.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401
     
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    Not sure why you provided the Cornell Law link as I am not seeing anything there in reference to President, Vice President or natural born citizen. It does however list eight different types of citizenship.
    Where specifically did you find this: "1) Those born on US soil to citizen parents. These are called "natural-born" citizens." I did not find that information but would be interested in reading about it.

    As you say "Articles are a dime a dozen" but here is one I hope you will consider reliable. It contains information from the Congressional Research Service.

    From the Congressional Research Service:
    Also reading the majority opinion in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, written by Associate Justice Horace Gray, is very informative.
    https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep169/usrep169649/usrep169649.pdf
     
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    So are you now PRETENDING that YOU have NOT had your BOGUS allegation completely and utterly DEBUNKED?

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
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    Your own link DEBUNKS your bovine excrement above!

    Kamala Harris was BORN in the USA and was subject to US Jurisdiction at the time of her birth THEREFORE she is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN who is ELIGIBLE to be POTUS.
     
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    Citizenship birthright remains available to any person born on US soil, regardless of the circumstances of his or her birth.
     
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    Citizen birthright makes one a citizen, not a "natural-born" citizen. In fact, no citizen who obtains his citizenship by "law" is a "natural-born" citizen. Natural-born citizens acquire their "natural-born" status by being born on US soil to citizen parents, not by law.

    How is it that you don't understand this?
     
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    I would be more inclined to support him if he had picked anybody but her, so no I guess not.
     
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    Sorry, but no matter how many CAPITALIZED words you use, it's not going to make Harris a natural-born citizen. Why do you persist in something you know so little about? It's clearly nothing more than a hyper-partisan issue for you. For me, it's a constitutional issue, because I use the same standard for republicans as I do for democrats.
     
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    Every post you make provides further proof that they haven't been debunked. Do you really think you can disprove something by using emoticons and capital letters?
     
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    :roflol:

    Kindly REFRAIN from PROJECTING your own dearth of subject matter knowledge onto others.

    The Constitution stipulates that Kamala Harris is a Natural Born Citizen eligible to be POTUS.

    :roflol:
     
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    If that were the case, you would have provided the constitutional statute that says so, and not kept relying upon your emoticons and capital letters.
     
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    Weren't you just PRETENDING to be an "expert" on the Constitution?

    :roflol:

    The 14th Amendment STIPULATES that Kamala Harris is a Natural Born Citizen and thereby automatically eligible to be POTUS.
     
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    No it didn't, it granted citizenship to those born or naturalized in the US. The phrase "natural-born" is never used in the 14th amendment because you can't "make" someone a "natural-born" citizen. You simply are one if you were born on US soil to citizen parents; and Harris wasn't.

    So what are you, about 0 for 10 now? Why fight something that you can't win?
     
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    I am very comfortable with Harris. If it was up to me I would replace every man in govornment with a woman. the I am currently reading a book by Melvin Konner, called Women: Sex Evolution and the End of Male Supremacy. I think a better day is coming as women assume leadership in every human endeavor. We'll keep men around for football, baseball, and entertainment, but the gals are going to be the decision makers.
     
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    Your avatar says that you're a male. You must really hate yourself.
     
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    Just tired of idiots.
     
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    The Cornell Law link is the link for US Code 1401, which regulates every type of citizenship that isn't "natural-born" citizenship. It is done by congressional legislation. That is why it doesn't mention "natural-born" citizens; because you don't become a "natural-born" citizen by law or legislation; but simply by being born on US soil to citizen parents.

    Those who framed the constitution recognized "natural-born" citizens, in this way:

    At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."

    - Chief Justice Waite, 1875.
     
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    There is an easy way to settle this, take her to court.

    That would be hilarious, especially if you got a smart, acerbic judge. I'd love to sic Posner on ya...
     
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