Are You In Favor Of These Issues

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  1. Just A Man

    Just A Man Well-Known Member

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    I would like the democrats on this forum to tell me if they are for any or all of the following democratic candidates policies. Also tell me why you favor these plans. Please do not mention Trump or the republicans, or the conservatives, or those on the right. Just keep it short and tell me the issues you do support and why. I've numbered them to help make it easier.
    1--Free abortion
    2--Free medical for illegal aliens
    3--Eliminating fossil fuels
    4--Free college and vocational schools
    5--More gun control laws
    6--No secure border or border wall
    7--Legalizing weed
    8--Abolishing the Electoral College
    9--Reparations
    10--Taxing billionaires
    11--End the death penalty
    12--Universal child care
    13--Allowing the incarcerated to vote
    14--Require equal pay certification for companies
    15--Rent relief for the poor
    16--Universal basic income
    17--Increasing the Supreme Court justices
     
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    Abortion should be available for any woman, regardless of her ability to pay for it. Same with health care. It should be available to everyone, regardless of their ability to pay for it.

    College should be both free and merit based. History shows us that civilization moves ahead with a rather small portion of society, with most just following along. Society would be best served if the best could be identified and given a good education. It is worth the investment.

    Marihuana should be entirely legal, like beer.

    The DACA kids should be made citizens. Sure, give them an American government test. But make the process short and easy.

    Make environmental laws more stringent. Increase penalties for polluting. Increase the use of renewables while reducing the burning of fossil fuels. Shift to electric cars


    End the death penalty. Legalizing marihuana should free up more than enough money to pay to house real criminals.

    Personally, I think that the two most destructive forces in the US are gun violence and alcoholism. People point out that more people die from car accidents than gun violence, as a defense of guns. But then alcohol is a major cause of automobile accident deaths. Just as I'm sure, most gun violence deaths also involved alcohol.


    I also think that the government should provide housing for the poor. If they built about 200 3 story apartment buildings, spread out from the southern tip of California to the northern edge of Washington, the homeless problem would mostly go away. If they charged only what a person could afford, then the poorest would all be housed. The low end conventional housing would then have less demand, dropping the rent price. This would ripples up the housing market. One of the greatest transfers of wealth, from the poor to the wealthy, is through rents. Reduce that transfer and make society more equal.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Tax the hell out of billionaires. Reverse the Republican tax cuts for the wealthy of the past 40 years. All of the tax cuts have been made up with loans, by massively increasing the debt.
     
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    Too much work.
     
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    I also think that the government should provide housing for the poor. If they built about 200 3 story apartment buildings


    It doesn't work/already been tried, those big apartment buildings become a war zone.
     
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    william kurps Banned

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    How do you tax billionaires, please be specific?
     
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    see above.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    It is working all across the country. Every city in America has apartment buildings spread throughout the city that house poor people, mostly the elderly and disabled.

    Of course the project model proved unworkable, mostly because it concentrates poverty. Randomly placing apartment buildings does not cause that problem. In fact spreading them out, spreads around the poverty, preventing the establishment of a bad neighborhood. Salt Lake City has had great success doing this.
     
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    You have been researching Obama's proposal I see.. nah its bringing crime to the suburbs and diluting the influence.

    That's also taking a page out of alinsky rules
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hat tip for taking the time to give straight answers.
     
  11. Sirius Black

    Sirius Black Well-Known Member

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    I would like to see the op answer his/her own questions. Here is my response:

    1--Free abortion

    For rape an incest for very low income people, increase access to birth control availability and then allow people to take responsibility for their actions


    2--Free medical for illegal aliens

    they should have the same level of medical care as those that are in prison


    3--Eliminating fossil fuels

    Great as a goal, but impractical, reduce fossil fuel use


    4--Free college and vocational schools

    More scholarships for deserving lower income students; middle and upper income parents already know how to work the scholarship system


    5--More gun control laws

    Stronger background checks stronger penalties for those that illegally supply guns w/o those checks


    6--No secure border or border wall

    A wall may be a part of the solution, but it is not the only solution. We need a bi partisan, non political revamping of our entire system and we need to be willing to spend money to do it. Don't screw the DACA people.


    7--Legalizing weed

    I don’t care


    8--Abolishing the Electoral College

    No


    9—Reparations

    Take some of the money that would be spent on reparations and spend it on neighborhood improvements, creating jobs, infrastructure, and improving education in black communities


    10--Taxing billionaires
    yes

    11--End the death penalty

    I came from a state where the death penalty was illegal and the crime rate was lower than most states so ok. I can see the need for a federal law that allows it in extreme circumstances.


    12--Universal child care

    Help with childcare for those that are working or those who are ill.


    13--Allowing the incarcerated to vote

    People in jail awaiting trial- absentee ballots. Imprisoned felons, when they are no longer in Jail


    14--Require equal pay certification for companies

    Simply require equal pay for equal work


    15--Rent relief for the poor

    It already exists


    16--Universal basic income

    No


    17--Increasing the Supreme Court justices

    No, as long as both sides play the game fairly (Garland appointment)
     
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    Not free, but legal
    No
    No, but we can and should look more at alternatives and how they benefit/affect us.
    No/yes. Costs are ridiculous, but wouldn't want to take classes with people who are only there to socialize. Make it free only for those who putting forth the effort to pass the classes.
    Maybe just certain restrictions
    No
    Yes
    Not sure
    No
    They're already taxed, but a higher rate is good
    Yes because too many innocent people are convicted of crimes
    No. Not against helping out the poor, but it should not be for those above a certain income level.
    Yes. Why not?
    Not that we need more regulations, but there should be no gender discrimination
    To what extent? How would it be implemented?
    No
    No
     
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    1--Free abortion
    Limited

    2--Free medical for illegal aliens
    Limited

    3--Eliminating fossil fuels
    "Eliminating"? No

    4--Free college and vocational schools
    Limited

    5--More gun control laws
    No. Less! Just one, in fact: no firearms in the hands of civilians (with few exceptions)

    6--No secure border or border wall
    No. Against Trump's useless wall, yes.

    7--Legalizing weed
    For medical purposes. States decide otherwise.

    8--Abolishing the Electoral College
    Yes

    9--Reparations
    Limited

    10--Taxing billionaires
    Yes

    11--End the death penalty
    Yes.

    12--Universal child care
    Yes

    13--Allowing the incarcerated to vote
    Yes

    14--Require equal pay certification for companies
    Yes

    15--Rent relief for the poor
    Limited

    16--Universal basic income
    Limited.

    17--Increasing the Supreme Court justices
    Yes
     
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    Government should do as little as possible.

    Protect us from external enemies and ensure domestic order.
     
  15. Just A Man

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    1--Free abortion
    Where would the money come from to pay the doctors? Some would come from people who are against abortions.
    2--Free medical for illegal aliens
    That would cause a flood of illegals pouring into our country from all over the world. Who would pay? Those already paying for their own medical insurance would pay.
    3--Eliminating fossil fuels
    No more airplanes, no more ships, no more cars, no more trucks, less fertilizer, no heating oil or natural gas, less generated electricity. The United States gets 81% of its total energy from oil, coal, and natural gas, all of which are fossil fuels. Ain't going to happen in the next 100 years.
    4--Free college and vocational schools
    I will support this. K through 12 is free, just extend our free educational system. A great investment.
    5--More gun control laws
    Not needed. We have laws against shooting people. More laws will just be "feel good laws" and end up restricting freedoms.
    6--No secure border or border wall
    Then our country will cease to exist. The wall has to help control our border.
    7--Legalizing weed
    We don't need another legal intoxicating drug. Look at the people killed by drunken drivers and then add the ones killed by the pot head drivers.
    8--Abolishing the Electoral College
    It works the way it's intended. It's a brilliant concept. Those who lose always want to change something to give them an edge.
    9--Reparations
    To whom? Who pays? Who receives? An idea that is impossible to implement. Sounds nice but it's pandering.
    10--Taxing billionaires
    Ask yourself why you are in favor of this. You will meet Greed and Envy face to face.
    11--End the death penalty
    There are some crimes so heinous the criminal must lose their life.
    12--Universal child care
    Who pays? Some paying will be paying who do not have children. Don't have children unless you can pay and care for them.
    13--Allowing the incarcerated to vote
    Why? In some small town with a large prison the inmates could decide who runs the town. Dumb idea. You want to vote don't do the crime.
    14--Require equal pay certification for companies
    OMG! Let the bureaucrats decide how much you should be paid? Dumb idea. Anyone who has ever doled out raises in a company will tell you many factors can go into a person's pay.
    15--Rent relief for the poor
    We already have Section 8.
    16--Universal basic income
    Oh yeah, pay people not to work. Watch our population swell from 350 million to a trillion. Let me work extra hard so I can pay someone to sit home.
    17--Increasing the Supreme Court justices
    Leave well enough alone. There is no practical reason to add justices.
     
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    Personal opinion in red
     
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    They did, it's called housing projects and we've all seen how that worked out.
     
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    Shouldn't these be listed separately in the Opinion Polls section? A respondent could write a book here, with a chapter for each topic.

    I also notice that your working of these issues is a bit biased. Free abortions, instead of just abortions? End the death penalty? That's up to each state.

    Did you want replies to all issues in one post? Or would you prefer one issue per post, per respondent? I'm gonna go with the latter.
     
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    Not if you're feeling verbose, bored, and cantankerous. :boxing:
     
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    Yes. Every woman needs to have that option, and for those who are the victims of rape or incest it's even more important. Plus, there are those few who get test results indicating severe birth defects, and those for whom carrying full term would endanger their own life. All should have that option available.
     
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    Yes. It's a lot less expensive to provide them with coverage than it is to pay the ER bills when that's their only health care option. It's a double choice question: choose to pay less overall, and choose to actually help them instead of shutting them out and letting them die.
     
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    Absolutely. I like clean air and unpolluted water. Doesn't everyone? Also, it's going to be very expensive to protect coastal populations from rising sea levels, and/or relocate millions all over the world to higher ground.

    (On the other hand, I'm already living at 6,300 feet, and mass migrations to higher ground could increase my home's value exponentially. I guess mayvbe I'm on the fence on this one, just a tad. :mrgreen: )
     
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    Yes, but means-tested. Tuition should be fair and based on family income.
     
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    Yes. If people on no-fly lists can legally buy guns, that's a broken system. If someone can buy one at a gun show or via private sale and bypass background checks, that's a broken system.

    In every state, you have to have a valid license to drive a car. You have to study the rules of the road and pass a test, then prove to them that you can actually drive. If you get caught violating those rules, you pay a fine or lose your license, either temporarily or permantly based on how many times you break the rules.

    Guns are just as lethal, so shouldn't we have an equally stringent licensing process?
     
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    Oh man, that goes hand in hand with much of what this thread is about. I appreciate your humor! Thanks.
     
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