Are you ok with aborting outside the womb?

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  1. Zeffy

    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1. 1: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: such as a : spontaneous expulsion of a human fetus during the first 12 weeks of gestation — compare miscarriageb : induced expulsion of a human fetusc : expulsion of a fetus by a domestic animal often due to infection at any time before completion of pregnancy — compare contagious abortion

    2. 2a : a misshapen thing or person : monstrosityb informal + sometimes offensive : something regarded as horrifically or disgustingly bad

    3. 3: arrest of development (as of a part or process) resulting in imperfection; also : a result of such arrest

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abortion
     
  2. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I find it ironic that number 2 is in the definition.
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    What is wrong with you? Why do you ask such weird questions?

    Do you have a point?
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    No, No.1 is what we're discussing but I hardly expect you to know that...


    Did you have any point?

    Why can't you address this post : ""Do you know what an abortion is? No, of course not....


    Now, do show what is wrong with this sentence: ""Abortion is termination of pregnancy."""


    It did NOT say nothing else is the termination of pregnancy....delivery is also the termination of pregnancy...


    """Reading comprehension problem?""""


    You still can't abort anything that's been born :)"""""""""""


    Since you couldn't address that post I guess you really HAVE NO POINT......
     
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  5. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, your definition is faulty.
    There's nothing in any definition you can provide that can logically distinguish abortion from murder.
    With the sole exception of the "killing a fetus is not murder" argument. But again, that should apply outside the womb too, shouldn't it?

    (You've still so far failed to give me a logical reason why it shouldn't)
     
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    I just reread your ridiculous OP and realize after all these many posts you still do NOT have any idea what "BORN" means. It's a very basic concept and if you don't understand it I doubt you will understand anything else.

    Abortion is distinguished from murder by the fact that to be murdered one HAS TO BE A PERSON.

    A fetus has not been born. Did YOU KNOW THAT? Did YOU know a fetus hasn't been born?

    So a fetus, not having been born, is not a person so it has no rights and can be killed...

    Once it is born, SEPERATED FROM THE WOMAN IT WAS IN (do you know what separated means?????) then , and ONLY THEN does it become a person with rights since it is NO LONGER ATTACHED to another human.

    THAT is the logical reason why killing a fetus is not murder...it is attached to another human, part of another human, NOT separate...

    How many times does that have to be posted
     
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    Now, do show what is wrong with this sentence: ""Abortion is termination of pregnancy."""


    It did NOT say nothing else is the termination of pregnancy....delivery is also the termination of pregnancy...


    """Reading comprehension problem?""""


    You still can't abort anything that's been born :)"""""""""""


    Since you couldn't address that post I guess you really HAVE NO POINT......
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of a person by a person. Even IF the zef were a person (and it isn't), if abortion is legal, it CANNOT be murder.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah ha! So abortion isn't murder because it's not illegal.


    And you've taken away the fetus's personhood, and with that their human rights.

    This sounds all too familiar to me somehow...
     
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    There is no "ah ha" for you.

    Abortion isn't murder because only a PERSON can be murdered.... a fetus is NOT a person :)


    A fetus NEVER had personhood, no rights were taken away since it never had rights :)


    Ever figure out the difference between "born" and UNborn" yet???




    Now, do show what is wrong with this sentence: ""Abortion is termination of pregnancy."""


    It did NOT say nothing else is the termination of pregnancy....delivery is also the termination of pregnancy...


    """Reading comprehension problem?""""


    You still can't abort anything that's been born :)"""""""""""


    Since you couldn't address that post I guess you really HAVE NO POINT......
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know, sounds awfully similar to the arguments used to justify slavery.

    Oh but you're from England, you don't have that dark looming legacy in your history so much.
    Well it's time to pull out a U.S. history book and read where that type of thinking can ultimately take us.
     
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    Might sound like it to YOU :roll::roflol: but it has no relationship at all...


    Slaves were BORN (that word you don't understand) so they should've had personhood. They were denied the personhood other BORN people had.

    AND , you can run and distract and change the subject BUT:


    There is no "ah ha" for you.

    Abortion isn't murder because only a PERSON can be murdered.... a fetus is NOT a person :)


    A fetus NEVER had personhood, no rights were taken away since it never had rights :)


    Ever figure out the difference between "born" and UNborn" yet???




    Now, do show what is wrong with this sentence: ""Abortion is termination of pregnancy."""


    It did NOT say nothing else is the termination of pregnancy....delivery is also the termination of pregnancy...


    """Reading comprehension problem?""""


    You still can't abort anything that's been born :)"""""""""""


    Since you couldn't address that post I guess you really HAVE NO POINT......
     
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    BTW, your reading comprehension skills are so bad that you think I'm from England....I never posted that.....so you're, again, imagining what was posted..
     
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    Ever figure out why you think I'm from England? Was it pulled from the same orifice as your other posts??


    Learned the difference between born and unborn yet ....or just start a new thread to avoid the facts :)
     
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    Zefs have never had personhood, so it was never taken away since it did not exist in the first place.
     
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    but it doesn't prevent anything.
    You didn't read a damn thing I posted did you?
     
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    What doesn't prevent what ???


    If I did it's been awhile....but I doubt anything you posted would change my mind...you certainly didn't change a word of :

    """""""""""So you only want organizations you personally approve of to be able to contribute to politicians...it doesn't work that way...:)


    And, of course, you have no idea that the Hyde Act prevents federal taxes from paying for abortions and that Planned Parenthood business is 3% abortion and the rest is BIRTH CONTROL, , prenatal health care , cancer screenings , STD care and prevention ( for women AND MEN)....now I know Righties hate anyone but them having health care but that's the way it is...:)


    There is no proof that PP violates the Hyde Act.......none.......none from a non-biased source.....



    But I can understand your righty hatred for an organization that helps the poor, and especially poor women, with their health care...""""""""""
     
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    Not really true.

    If you look at revenue (excluding the portion from government grants or private donations) abortion makes up well over 90% of PP's business.

    But if you want to play the semantic game of how many "services", yes, abortion is pretty much whatever percentage you want it to be.
     
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    How would it be classified as an abortion, if outside the womb?
    That would mean born, would it not?
     
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    One thing is absolutely certain. You have no say in a total strangers decision to abort or not. I roll my eye every time someone thinks they know more than the mother, father, and doctor.
     
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    That's what I'm trying to say. When it's outside the womb, most people agree that it's murder.
    But when it's inside the womb, it's abortion.

    I'm just asking if you'd feel comfortable terminating that life if it wasn't in a womb.
     
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    Ya , really true....sorry I can't accept the word of someone who thinks a fetus can be aborted outside the womb...
     
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    Then why didn't you just ask posters if they'd be comfortable murdering ??????

    Gee, guess what? SOME people do commit murder so I guess THEY would be comfortable committing murder.

    WOW what an earth shattering revelation. !!!

    Some people don't commit murder so I guess they wouldn't be comfortable committing murder....

    .................there's the answer to that ridiculous question...
     
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    So you agree? Same fetus, same stage of development. But it would be murder if done outside of a woman's body, correct?
     
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    OMG! You finally learned the difference between born and UNborn....Now if you only had a POINT....:)
     

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