So now we're right back to the locality argument. Fine, but don't come back whining that "it's not a real person" when I show how ridiculous the locality argument is in another thread. That's all you had in this thread. So stop trying to constantly deflect back and forth, always refusing to address the argument actually being discussed in the topic. It's obvious that no pro-choicer has had any gestational age and development argument in this thread.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/le...execute-two-death-row-inmates-tonight-n750291 Arkansas executed two death row inmates, both convicted murderers, Monday night, making it the first state to carry out two death sentences on one day since 2000. The Arkansas Department of Correction administered its lethal injection cocktail to Jack Jones, 52, at 7:06 p.m. CT and a coroner pronounced him dead at 7:20 p.m. Marcel Williams, 46, was declared dead by the same procedure just over three hours later at 10:33 p.m. J.R. Davis, a spokesman for Gov. Asa Hutchinson, described the executions as "flawless." These guys were aborted outside the womb.
I guess you DON'T really know what born and UNBORN mean....and can't seem to get up enough courage to quote the poster so they know they've been quoted. There is NO "locality argument".......it has NOTHING to do with locality...nothing. Where is this "other thread" where you addressed "locality"...????? Now if you only had a POINT.... Haven't seen one yet ......
Nope, words have meanings. The primary meaning of abort has to do with a fetus. Secondary meanings center on military, missiles, etc. You can look it up if you like. @ 52 & 46 years of age, the fetal stage was long past on these two men executed for their crimes.
Please don't further confuse the OP.....there is no such thing as abortion of a fetus outside the womb. Once born , a person can be murdered....but not aborted.
a·bort əˈbôrt/ verb carry out or undergo the abortion of (a fetus). bring to a premature end because of a problem or fault. Executing two adults because they were defective enough to kill others certainly seems to fit definition number two...
Maybe but this is the ABORTION Forum where abortion is discussed, not aborted space flights or aborted holiday plans... The point is that once a baby is born it cannot be aborted.
IT'S laughable how unenlightened everyone in the world really is on this topic. This is divide and conquer. while they have the sheep arguing/debating LIFE/DEATH OF ABORTED BABIES. THE ELITES ARE LAUGHING THAT BOTH SIDES HAVE MISSED THE BIG PICTURE, Which is that Planned Parenthood and others are selling these human babies(call it what you like but the elites know their babies), FOR DRUG COMPANY STUDIES TO GIVE US MORE DRUGS THAT NEVER CURE BUT JUST MAINTAIN YOUR PROBLEM. NOWHERE IN OUR countries morals would we EVER Allow live humans to have their brain removed while a heart is still beating. This is the HOLY GRAIL FOR DRUG COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO STUDY LIVE HUMANS FOR THEIR EXPERIMENTS. Let alone dead ones. MAKE NO MISTAKE.. THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENS WITH THEM mostly deals with what Barrack Obama said in his 2nd innagural speach about mapping the human brain. Quantum computers have been developed inpart for that reason of creating whole uploaded maps of our human brain(s) to further expedite the artificial intelligence agenga. It deals inpart with Electromagnetic technology of controlling our brains, even deleting out thoughts/memories and them uploading what they want through WIRED/Wireless electromagnetic technology. Dont believe me. There was an episode on the today show nbc that had an asiannlady with a bowl of goldfish that she controlled them to all change their swimming direction in unison, and they said after the commercial break will tell you (was it magic or something else). They said electromagetic technology controlled their brains. There are universities country that have done this with mokeys. and have uploaded things from, pain,pleasure, tickles, ect.. and mapped the frequency reponse of each and uploaded to frequency of pain , pleasure, tickle, ect.. to computers that can RECREATE THESE EXACT SENSES AND SEND the exact matching frequency from THEM TO ANOTHER MONKEY AND HAVE THEM FEEL THEM. They even said that you could be around the world from your spouse and they could make you feel pleasure/pain ect.. through mapping the frequencies of lets say being burned and then sending those same mapped frequencies to a computer which can reproduce them and then send them to someone else.THIS IS MIND CONTROL PEOPLE. IN JOKING W'ELL NEVER HAVE A ZOMBIE APPOCOALYPSE, BUT WE DEFINETLY COULD HAVE A MIND CONTROLLED ONE. THEY IN THEORY CAN USE (H.A.A.R.P) TO DO THIS. IT's A HIGH FREQUENCY RESEARCH PROGRAM THAT CURRENTLY CONTROLLS PARTS OF OUR WEATHER AS WELL.
Nah, if you look @ even an online dictionary (see http://www.dictionary.com/browse/abort) "verb (used without object) 1. to bring forth a fetus from the uterus before the fetus is viable; miscarry. 2. to develop incompletely; remain in a rudimentary or undeveloped state. 3. to fail, cease, or stop at an early or premature stage. 4. Military. to fail to accomplish a purpose or mission for any reason other than enemy action. 5. Rocketry. (of a missile) to stop before the scheduled flight is completed. verb (used with object) 6. to cause to bring forth (a fetus) from the uterus before the fetus is viable. 7. to cause (a pregnant female) to be delivered of a nonviable fetus. 8. to cause to cease or end at an early or premature stage: We aborted our vacation when the car broke down. 9. to terminate (a missile flight, mission, etc.) before completion. 10. to put down or quell in the early stages: Troops aborted the uprising. noun 11. a missile, rocket, etc., that has aborted." You'll notice that the meanings center on fetus & military/rocketry, etc. What dictionary were you using? & of course people aren't executed because they're defective - they're executed because they're (typically) found guilty of Murder 1, or whatever the relevant charge is in the jurisdiction that tries them. There may be special aggravating circumstances that call for the death penalty, but it's not a judgment upon the moral fitness of the murderers - that judgment belongs to a higher court still. Temporal courts are concerned with justice in the here & now. Christendom had courts that likely heard both moral & justice & even theological cases - US courts typically operate in the real World only. & premature @ What were the ages? 52 & 46 years of age? Only a Methuselah would call that premature.
Check your snark-detector and lighten the frack up, Francis... This thread was obvious flame-bait from the OP, and not to be taken seriously. The joke is on the earnest idiots who have spent 160+ posts responding to it. Geez Louise...
How cute! A little name calling because you were made to look silly ....pouty , pouty.....got any intelligent comments on the topic...??? (didn't think so ) ...and since "Francis" is the name of a talking mule maybe I should just call you JackA--- ???? YOU took this thread so seriously YOU responded shame , shame .... I can tell by your elephant with the swastikas exactly why you seem to think you make the rules...
If you thought you had anything intelligent to say on the topic you're obviously an idiot...who depends on stupidity off youtube which I am glad I missed, glad I don't live in your world with your own brand of idiocy.. If you don't know what swastikas represent you are obviously a total idiot. ...now, we traded our little insults and I'm done with your stupidity unless you want to discuss the topic..
Yes - it means I'm calling Republicans and conservatives fascists. If you got anything else from that, you need to be sure and not miss your meds again...
Location makes a huge difference. Take, for example, a mailbox. The only thing that separates the contents of your mailbox from my hand is the door on the front, yet there is a huge legal difference between my hand being outside your mailbox and inside it. Next, lets use a car door. I am standing outside your car door. On the inside of your door in one of the little storage slots they sometimes have, a mere few inches through the outer panel, you have your checkbook. Can I reach in and take it just because it's only a few inches away from the outside of the door where my hand is? Does location matter here? I'm guessing you'll say it does. And these are just things we're talking about, not a human body. If a mailbox door or a thin layer of material makes all the difference in the world regarding what I can do with your things, then certainly a human body should. Inside the woman's body is her domain. It will always be hers, even if that woman doesn't possess a single thing other than her own body. And if you don't think so, if you don't think the inside of a person's body is their sacred property, then I can only naturally assume that you are in favor of the removal of all types of property protection laws. Tresspassing, theft, vandalism, these are all things you want decriminalized because they are ALL based on location. Even rape. What's the difference between the outside of a woman's vagina and the inside? Just a few inches really, so surely rape is also a travesty of our justice system too, right? You're trapped. You either have to agree with what I just said and condone the criminal acts I described, or you have to agree that yeah, location actually does matter.
Ah, but a woman's right over her vagina is not absolute. Can a kindergarten teacher allow one of her male students to go poking around in there? Maybe that's because there's someone else involved. Can a woman inject herself with illegal drugs? Why not? It's her body. Also, when a woman steals something and tries to hide it in her vagina, we know her bodily cavity is not off-limits (assuming probable cause). You say a woman's body is her domain. Well what else can she do in there? Run a slave plantation? Do you believe medical researchers should be allowed to pay a pregnant woman to let them to run horrific medical experiments inside the womb that will cause the fetus to suffer? (Sorry for the silly and hyperbolic nature of these examples, I'm just trying to prove a point)
:lol How does the teachers vagina relate to the topic? :lol Any woman who wishes to inject herself with illegal drugs is already doing it. What are you going to do about it? The war on drugs is a huge failure and applying it to abortion fits the true definition of insanity.
True, but if a pro-choicer does believe drugs should be outlawed, they still have to explain the consistency of their position with respect to women's bodies. Maybe the real issue at stake is they believe abortion = good, drugs = bad (unless they're abortion drugs )
I just don't see how any reasonable person can come up with the kindergarten teachers vagina comment. Im not sure what you are trying to accomplish here.
Yes she can inject herself with illegal drugs. Having drugs in your body is not illegal, it is possession/distribution/production of those drugs that is illegal. And your first example has nothing to do with the woman's body and everything to do with the underage student. That teacher could not even talk about her vagina with the student so this is not an issue of bodily rights. This is a case of something that originated outside her body being hidden in it, not an issue of something that has existed exclusively within and connected to her body. It is not a relevant situation to abortion. A fetus is produced inside a woman's body exclusively and has never existed outside of it. Every atom of matter the fetus is made up of is provided by the woman's body(with the exception of the atoms that made up the one sperm that fertilized the egg at conception, but this occurs prior to the formation of the fetus). Hypothetically speaking, if there was some way for a woman to build a slave plantation within her body and exclusively created by her body, then I'm not sure there's much you could do. But, in order to be a slave, you must be an individual, which rules out the use of a fetus as "slave labor" since a fetus is not and has never at any time in it's entire existence been an individual. Individuality occurs at birth. Prior to that, the woman is the only individual. The nature of these "horrific" experiments and their medical and scientific necessity would need to be laid out to properly answer this question.
