As Climate Worsens, a Cascade of Tipping Points Looms

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    But can you drink that water?
     
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    I have city water to drink but in an emergency with some treatment ....yes.
     
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    That's where rainwater tanks come into their own. They're crucial, IMO.
     
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    I "smash" my water. I have two cement block ponds. The top pond has a basin with rocks. The pic was taken filling the pond this winter. Anyway the water hits the rocks and falls into the top pond. 20191204_160719.jpg 20191204_160719.jpg 20191025_125714.jpg anyway it keeps the water moving and the bottom pond will have sandstone rock as a biological filter. I will also grow plants in it. It is a work in process.
     
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    That's a fantastic system you have there. Fantastic for your micro-climate, and for local wildlife etc. Well done :)
     
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    Thanx.
     
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    The one thing that all eco-doomsayers agree on is that the solution must be compulsory.
     
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    Only insofar as there is safety and civil peace involved. Think of it in terms of ordinary laws.
     
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    Is this a tipping point:

     
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    Tipping Point: noun
    In Global Warming Settled Science, the point at which Climate will be forced to recreate the Christian "Great Flood" by the end of the century, i.e. oceans will rise 15 cubits, extreme weather will kill all life on the planet, there will be a big rainbow afterwards, etc..

    Settled Science: noun
    Any element of Climate Science that runs counter to physics or is an apparent logical fallacy, e.g. "Climate Change."
     
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    Errr you DID read the ORIGINAL article didn’t you?

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    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41612-020-00143-w
     
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    Yes, and the appropriate response is: So what? Excuse making to explain away unwelcome data is not of interest. Meanwhile, the paper's authors identify the few areas of warming, which just happen to correlate with areas of volcanic activity. From my link at #561:

    The scientists published the image below, which shows how temperatures have changed during the past 30 years, compared to temperatures recorded between 1950 and 1980. Clearly, the vast majority of Antarctica is cooling, with warming occurring over just a small portion of the continent that juts out into the Southern Ocean.

    [​IMG]

    Forget the claims of a warming Antarctica and remember the science – Antarctica is cooling, not warming.
     
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    It is not possible to measure the temperature of Antarctica, let alone the whole Earth. It is not possible to measure global CO2 content. It is not possible for CO2 (colder gas) to heat Earth's surface (warmer surface).
     
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    We don't know what the temperature of Antarctica is. We don't have near enough thermometers (and they are not uniformly spaced and simultaneously read by the same observer). Satellites cannot work for this either because we do not know the emissivity of Earth.
     
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    Agreed. The best measure that can be determined are trends. But to attempt fine line comparisons to make policy decisions is a fool’s (or ideologue’s) errand.
     
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    We know the temperatures (and temperature trends) for specific locations where thermometers are present. Of course, such readings only apply to the specific location that the thermometer is affixed and only at the specific moment of time that the reading is taken. A reading taken in downtown Madison WI at 3:31:00pm says nothing about the northeastern-most edge of Appleton WI at 5:54:30pm. Location and time are both absolutely CRITICAL because temperature has been known to vary by over 20degF per mile (this is actually fairly common), and as much as 50degF over two minutes and 100degF over 24 hours.

    IOW, unless we blanketed the Earth with MANY 'hundreds of millions' of uniformly spaced and simultaneously read thermometers (located throughout the atmosphere, on the surface (ground and water, and all varying surface types), and below the surface), we are COMPLETELY and UTTERLY guessing at what Earth's temperature is.

    That's why such "temperature charts", rather than simply putting "Earth's average temperature" along the y-axis, always make reference to their y-axis as something along the lines of "temperature anomaly" or "difference in temperature" (compared against some randomly chosen "baseline" set of years, which is also just a made up number)... This is done because the entities behind the charts are just making schiff up.

    What ACTUALLY affects Earth's temperature is the amount of energy that the Sun is radiating (and Earth's orbital location). The supposed increased presence of CO2 (and other "greenhouse gases" [a made-up meaningless term]) do not magickally cause Earth's temperature to increase. That belief is a denial of science (specifically, the laws of thermodynamics and the stefan boltzmann law).
     
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    Doomsday AMOC “Tipping” Claimed In ‘Nature’ Already Refuted…New Study: AMOC “Shows No Decline”
    By P Gosselin on 27. February 2021

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    A recent study appearing in Nature, “Current Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation weakest in last millennium“, authored by Caesar et al, hints at a global climate system on the verge of tipping out of control.

    According to their findings, the weakening of the so-called Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current (AMOC) in the 20th century is “unprecedented”, and likely because of man-made climate change.

    The paper claims that there was “a long and relatively stable period” that was then followed by “an initial weakening starting in the nineteenth century, followed by a second, more rapid, decline in the mid-twentieth century.” The AMOC has since reached “the weakest” level in recent decades.

    Rahmstorf’s doomsday scenario

    Also not surprising: one of the authors of the doomsday-like paper is climate über-alarmist researcher Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Climate Institute in Germany.

    According to Rahmstorf, the Gulf Stream “passing its tipping point” would lead to significant northern Atlantic sea level rise, a regional cooling and “massive effects on the entire ecosystem in the North Atlantic”.

    No consensus – contradicted even before release

    But the paper’s claims were contradicted already six days before its release. So much for consensus.

    A new paper by Worthington et al, “A 30-year reconstruction of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation shows no decline“, tells us there’s been no decline, let alone a “weakest state”. . . .
     
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    Then you must explain where the cold is coming from.
     
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    Actually, I don't. I'm perfectly happy with natural variability and circulation from the deep ocean. But now that AGW has been ruled out as a cause, the cooling is a real problem for its proponents.
     
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    No problem at all:

    DATELINE 2081: IPCC WARNS IMMEDIATE END TO FOSSIL FUEL USE CRUCIAL TO STOP RAPID WARMING TREND AS GLACIERS COVER CANADA, SCANDINAVIA, SIBERIA
     
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    New Study Crushes IPCC Alarm…Hails A 22% Global Decline In Natural Disaster Death Risk Since 1990s
    By Kenneth Richard on 15. April 2021

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    With data showing individual death risk from natural disasters (floods, droughts, hurricanes, tornadoes…) declined from 7.2 per million population in the 1990s to 5.6 in the 2010s, a new study takes aim at the IPCC’s “subjective opinion” labeling method in the manufacture of climate alarm.
    Per an exhaustive data analysis (Broccard, 2021), both the global-scale risk of death and property loss risk from exposure to natural disasters have been declining in recent decades. (Financial losses are said to be on the rise, but this statistic is considered too relative and therefore “misleading” because “poor countries suffer about thrice more destruction for a similar natural hazard” than non-poor countries, and thus property loss rather than financial loss is the better indicator of natural disaster risk and impacts.) . . .
     
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    The evidence regarding rapid climate change is simply to persuasive to dismiss out of hand. There are real consequences associated with global warming, some of which we are already witnessing.
     
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    Credible empirical evidence that it is not natural?

    Still waiting.
    Credible empirical evidence that we have caused it or can stop it?

    Still waiting.
     
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