As heatwave bakes Australia on land, an unprecedented marine heatwave causes fish kills in the ocean

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  1. william kurps

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    It's the same today as the day I was born in 1965. Dont go out much?



    Great Galveston Storm

    The Great Galveston Storm came ashore the night of Sept 8, 1900, with an estimated strength of a Category 4. It remains the deadliest natural disaster and the worst hurricane in U.S. history. From 6,000 to 12,000 people died on Galveston Island and the mainland.Nov 30, 2017
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    The Great Galveston Storm of 1900 Remains Most Deadly Natural Disaster .
     
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    One instance, ONE :roll:

    Understand science?

    Science is where you count how many instances there are and compare the numbers (that is in the simplest form)

    https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_SPM_FINAL.pdf
     
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    Climate only changes because something has forced it to do so

    They are called “forcings” I listed a couple in the OP

    So what is causing the climate to change currently?
     
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    50 years worth of data on a planet that 4.5 billion years old is junk science and dont even start with proxy ZomboMeme 08122019150727.jpg
     
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    Spread the word of regenerative agriculture, methods of Ag management that create carbon sinks out of farmland and pasture land. It is the way to reverse carbon pollution across the globe by reversing desertification resulting from industrialized Ag.
     
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    You only listed a couple, so you agree there're many variables?

    Tell us how much is man made AGW and how much is natural variation?

    You do know crocodiles used to swim at the north pole and Florida was under water a few times right.
     
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    Tree ring evidence goes back 15,000 years I believe.
     
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    Its proxy, only a few trees was taken from Siberia, then he tied it onto actual data, hence the hockey stick.


     
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    Sorry... More like 12 to 13,000.
     
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    Again using only one instance where science uses multiples

    Doesn’t anyone in America get taught science?

    https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_SPM_FINAL.pdf

    A meme trying to refute science of the level shown above is the equivalent of someone standing in the middle of NASA proclaiming that the world is flat
     
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    When are you going to step up and do something besides point the fingers at others? Lead by example. The world already has one "Greta".
     
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    Have you heard of Alan Savory?
     
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    Does any one know when the temperature stations went on line?



    Notice anything wrong with it, do you?

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    Bulldust!

    Have you ANY idea how many different scientific papers there have been published on proxy data?

    Each IPCC assessment report averages at least 3,000 citations to different papers

    https://www.environment.gov.au/climate-change/publications/fact-sheet-ipcc

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    I notice that it does not have a citation
     
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    We dont have any ocean temperature data , the first one was a British ship back in the 1880s who took a few readings , then subs in WWII then Argo in the late 1990s






    Argo is an international program that uses profiling floats to observe temperature, salinity, currents, and, recently, bio-optical properties in the Earth's oceans; it has been operational since the early 2000s. The real-time data it provides is used in climate and oceanographic research. Wikipedia
     
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    Here in Bama we are getting droughts more frequently and since we share water with 3 States and the city of Atlanta water becomes a problem. But one solution is in the water bills. If I keep my water usage... that is the water going through my meter under 2000 gallons a month my water bill is 0.00 dollars. I collect rainwater all winter and pump it into 2 swimming pools and two cement ponds. My water bill has been 0.00 dollars for months now. If they could do the same thing with electricity power usage would go down. Or at least give a momentary reward for keeping power usage down. Make the ones using the most power pay for it. I wonder how much electricity or coal or it takes to make brick or manufacture glass. Instead they get cheaper rates than homeowners.
     
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    Yes I have but he is not going to change the level of atmospheric co2 by himself
     
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    Oooooh! I love the level of academic discussion here

    I am backing everything I post with citations and links whilst the oppositions...........

    Mostly meme and “I don fink so!”
     
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    Go to wiki..


    Famous Bob Carter Australia, R.I.P.


     
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    Regenerative Ag builds the soil, increasing resistance to drought and floods. The soil becomes like a sponge when it is alive.
     
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    I can get intelligent if you like been studying this since 1972..


    I just want to see, what propaganda was fed.
     
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    Be very very careful. Australia has some of the most stringent defamation laws around and Internet is no hiding place

    That being said Cook is backed by University of Queensland, has won the Eureka praise for science and since I have NOT quoted his site, is peripheral to this discussion and poor debating technique to plop a single individual down as “proof” of something

    Me? I quote the IPCC which so far you have been ignoring
     
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    No, but he has a program that farmers should look into. The methods of regenerative Ag, if utilized globally, would have a significant effect on atmospheric carbon.
     
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