Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

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  1. The Amazing Sam's Ego

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    There is more proof that the Christian God is real.

    After humanity was seperated from God by sin, they tried finding all sorts of ways to find meaning and purpose apart from a relationship with God, like religion and hobbies. image bearers of God, human beings are predisposed to worship something or someone, and although sin has separated us from God, there's that part of humanity that still knows that it is part of something or someone bigger than itself. Romans chapter 1 explains it this way: "19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles." So basically human beings were created to worship. So once separated from God by sin, they turned to the created thing created by God so they may worship that instead.I believe that hobbies are quick fixes that come and go and only knowing Jesus provides fullfillment.I believe everyone has an inborn desire and yearning to seek God, and some people subconciously supress it.I believe that like in the Garden of Eden, people dont seek the very situation that gives them the most peace-a relationship with God, and seeking God.

    The meaning of life is to know God and to return his love. Many people turn away from Gods clear revelation to make other gods for themselves, but everyone has that desire to seek God in them, whether they are conscious of it or not. I believe people subconciously suppress the inborn desire to seek God.

    I believe the Bible because it fits together like a puzzle piece. we all come from somewhere, we are imperfect, in human laws bad things that people do have consequences. That is why the gospel makes sense.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Opinion is not proof and never will be.
     
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    What about experience and analogies?
    people try filling the void in heart with friends, , fame, religion the gym. . People had to come from somewhere, we all are trying to find meaning and purpose in something-look at hollywood people going from relationship to relationship. There is a universal human condition of a void-something is incomplete and people try to fill it with various things-including unhealthy things.

    Some people try to fill the void with hobbies. Hobbies dont work. I learned a lot from leisure time that is interesting but its not God. Speculation like time travellers of the Bible is interesting, but its not God. I learned facts about charismatic and non charismatic species. I have found Jak 2 videos with new graphics. I have learned bible facts like there might be quadrillions of people on earth during the millennial reign of Jesus Christ. ITs interesting to read stuff like the old earth belief that Christians have. I found a video with the song wasteland run from Jak 3. looking back, none of those things are really important.
    I have played devil may cry 1 and 3, ratchet and clank 1, 2, 3, daxter game on psp. ALl of those hobbies came and go.
    Knowing Jesus Christ as Lord was the best thing that ever happened to me. It was the best choice I ever made. It opened my eyes to who God is and what he did for me.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope...those are experiences and analogies.
     
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    Religion makes sense to me as a community of people with the same unanswered and worrisome destination. If nothing more, it tells people they aren’t alone and helps give comfort for those who have lost loved ones. Other animals bond and lend comfort after the death of a family member. It’s not un natural. But until there is evidence, that’s about it.
     
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    I once asked a priest if he could give me some proof of a God. He started out by talking about the beauty of a sunset and the music of Mozart. My reply was, “ well, that’s all well and good but what to you say to someone who is color blind and prefers country music.”
     
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    There are thousands of God critters. Why do you believe in the Jewish one?
     
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    You’re conflating two mutually exclusive ideas and saying they are the same. Why pretend one does exist with no evidence ? One concept is is potentially dangerous, one is not. If one drives a car based upon evidence, or does anything this way, it becomes a safer endeavor. Otherwise, you drive around and pretend things are where they are not ?

    Imagining the existence of an idea is like practicing a conspiracy theory. It’s a far cry form just saying, I don’t know.
     
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    Absence of evidence is where belief SUBSTITUTES for evidence in religion.

    Evidence of absence is what SEPARATES science from religious superstitions because religions cannot accept that their imaginary deity does not exist whereas science doesn't care that there is no imaginary deity.
     
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    You’re speaking for all and that’s untrue. All the non believers that I know, beleive there is not sufficient evidence that a god exists.
     
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    This is normal for monotheists. But don't think that a different name means "another god".
     
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    I don't know if a trip out into the cosmos would reveal any such truth element in any form other than what is deemed factual or acceptable as true. If there is truth in knowing that the universe is illusory and why it is so, then truth is rendered non-illusory. Deception is registered as File Not Found.
    Preoccupation with epiphenomena blunts perception/scope.
     
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    Along with the previous offer, very well expressed, even though I don't agree with some of the premises. It's all about meaningfulness, purpose, and the shortcomings of material existence. Expectation of slam-dunk proof is tunnel vision.
     
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    Might as well be saying, *I believe the Wizzard or Oz because it fits together like a puzzle piece. we all come from somewhere, we are imperfect, in human laws bad things that people do have consequences. That is why the Wizard of Oz makes sense.*
     
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    How can something that requires evidence, be the same as something that doesn’t ? An atheist can easily be converted with evidence. So far, even UFO believers can’t bring evidence back with them after they’ve been molested by aliens. Why should we not expect the same from believers in the Bible. Yet, all we get is passages from a Bible as proof of the existence.....of a Bible written by man, and from God. Which itself begs the question. Why does God even need man to write a book for him ?
    Surely, God has always had access to fax machines,
     
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    Look at it this way. The only thing meaningful is materialism.
    Man cannot live on wishful thinking. He needs material items, like food, to even stay alive so he can contemplate “religion.”
    Materialism supports religion. Look at evangelism. No one is more materialistic.
     
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    :applause:
     
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    Tautologies are never enlightening, in case you didn't know.
    That truth clearly cannot exist in an illusory universe, so just where does it exist?
    And so is truth, obviously.
    If only you understood that.
     
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    I believe in a relationship with God, not religion. Religion is how people try to fill the void in their heart apart from seeking God. It is a subconcious replacement for our inborn yearning to seek and know our Creator.

    I accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. Its a relationship not a religion. Knowing him gives me peace. The glamour of travel relationships popularity means nothing to me. The meaning of life is a relationship with our creator and savior-not religion, fame, mystical powers, travel. I believe in relationship with God, not religion. In religion, man is primary, God is secondary . Religion is what people can get from God, not knowing and seeking God. In religion people do the work to get to God, in a relationship with God, God did the work in reconciling us back to Him. i believe religion is people trying to fill the void in our hearts with something that doesn't involve repentance. the void in our hearts is designed to be filled with a relationship with God.
    People try to fill the God shaped hole in their hearts with other things. Not that those other things are bad per se, but they just don't fill the God shaped hole. People try to fill the void in their heart with pets, but Fido can't do that. Jesus plus nothing equals everything I need. No relationship pet dollar can fill that love space in your heart like the love of God.

    There is a void-something is incomplete and people try to fill it with various things. It is a common misconception that joy only comes from external sources. true joy is not found in hobbies but in Christ. That void exists because humanity is separated from God by sin and is homesick. All have the same desire some people supress it. We are seperated from where we come from, we try to fill that void with other stuff.

    Knowing Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior was the best thing that ever happened to me. It was the best choice I ever made. It opened my eyes to who God is and what he did for me.
     
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    I probably have more respect for many religions in general then blind acceptance of a deity that seems to care more about birth control then allowing 23000 children to suffer and die each day.
    There are many religions that provide comfort and aid to people’s world wide. I see no evidence that a Devine being has done much of anything. Medical science has saved millions of lives while the Gods just sat back and worried about just one species, ours and what we do naked and who we do it with. Seems like a waste of time when we need more doctors then preachers.
     
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    The big problem I have, is the idea one can live like a monster his entire life, then just before death, accept Christ and all is forgiven you as you then spend the rest of time sitting next to a god with a short memory.
     
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    Atheism is a matter of faith
    Not true, Atheism has a long list of atheological theories they use to support their faith in no god.
    false, until you have satisfactory proof that no god exists all you have is faith based upon your belief structure.
    false, you arent absent faith, if you think you are please prove for us that no god exists.
    I am not the one making the ridiculous claim that atheism is not a religion by definition.
    I keep reminding the neoatheists, but everyone of them on this board are in denial
     
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    Also. Don't take the bait of Koko here.
     
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    But as you know, atheism by definition is not a religion. The same way not playing baseball isn’t a sport.
     
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    more of the same denial.
    atheism is a religion by definition just like water is wet.
    Not bait, counter argument, you apparently are not up to the task?
     
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