Assange Moved To Prison Hospital, Can Barely Speak

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  1. GlobalCitizen

    GlobalCitizen Well-Known Member

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    So I'm supposed to believe that Snowden wasn't in a position to expose parts of the Chinese, Iranian, or Russian cyber programs? He releases many thousands of files that are damning to cyber programs from the US to Sweden, UK, Germany, Australia, Netherlands, or Canada. But he doesn't release anything that is damning to the aforementioned nations' adversaries. He doesn't even attempt to give context by talking generally about their programs. Maybe I'm wrong and he did. Sounds very fishy to me. Prove me wrong; find one thing that he has released or said that reflects negatively on Russia, Iran, or China.
     
  2. Kal'Stang

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    https://www.wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/releases/

    You can look up more if you wish on your own.
     
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    Yes Assange was involved in releasing dirt on Hillary...RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION. Notice he didn't do it right before the primary which may have allowed another candidate to edge her out and face Trump. Love that timing. Kind of reminds me of Snowdens timed releases that just happened to coencide with or immediately precede Obama state visits (remember Obama in at G8 when spying on g20 released, and sane thing with Germany info, Malaysia info etc).

    I was telling folks on here for years that Assange is an enemy of the US. He fully intended to undermine our Iraq war and that was his purpose. Years later he undermines our election.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you consider our Iraq war beneficial to the US in what way? So we killed who knows how many thousands, threw a nation and area into turmoil, and caused the deaths of millions and for what?

    Thousands of American vets have been crippled because of our wars, and the suicides average about 3 a day - and you're saying Assange is the enemy for trying to stop our offenses? Maybe it's time people began to look in the mirror.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your verse hit my funny bone, I'm still laughing. You have to give us more of that stuff.:blowkiss:

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    That's not, or should not be, a crime, however.

    Some speculated he knew Hillary would want to throw him to the wolves, so he placed his bet on a Trump presidency.

    One really can't blame him for that, especially with the infamous quote from Hillary about Assange during her tenure as Secretary of State.
    https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/...r-julian-assange-can-t-we-just-drone-this-guy
    (Note: Hillary later claimed she doesn't remember ever saying that)

    It was only this summer that Assange's group leaked thousands of embarrassing emails from the Democratic National Committee which showed their disdain for Bernie Sanders' insurgent campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination. The uproar over the disclosures forced DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz to resign in disgrace on the eve of the Democratic National Convention.​
     
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  9. Kal'Stang

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    Like I said...you can look up the rest on your own. You just asked if they had done anything negative against Russia. I provided evidence of such. Now you're moving the goal posts to be comparable to what they've done to the west. .....not surprised.
     
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    @Jeannette

    Is this juicy enough?


    https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-gave-state-dept-165110084.html
    Hillary Clinton Gave State Dept. Job to Ghislaine Maxwell’s Nephew: Report
    Kate Briquelet
    August 20, 2020, 9:51 AM PDT·5 mins read
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    Since Ghislaine Maxwell’s arrest on charges of helping Jeffrey Epstein abuse underage girls, rumors have swirled about her ties to famous figures including Democratic power couple Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    On Tuesday, the Daily Mail published photos of former President Clinton receiving a neck massage from Chauntae Davies, one of Jeffrey Epstein’s victims, during a stopover on his infamous 2002 trip to Africa with the deceased sex-trafficker.

    According to Davies, Maxwell was present for the voyage and encouraged Davies to give Clinton the massage. “Would you mind giving it a crack?” Clinton allegedly asked Davies, who claimed he was a “complete gentleman” during the trip.

    Epstein Accuser Says Bill Clinton Partied on Pedophile Island

    The unseemly images were revealed just before Clinton addressed the virtual Democratic National Convention. Davies was 22 at the time, and Clinton has denied any misconduct or knowing of Epstein’s abuse of young women.

    Now the celebrity tabloid OK! Magazine is reporting that ex-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “gifted” Maxwell’s nephew, Alexander Djerassi, a position within her department when he was just out of college and gave him “special treatment.”

    Djerassi’s name also popped up in a collection of Clinton’s emails hacked via WikiLeaks. In a November 2011 message, Assistant Secretary Jeffrey Feltman referred to his “special assistant, Alex Djerassi.” Feltman mentioned Djerassi again in a January 2012 email, according to WikiLeaks. . . .



    Juicy enough?


    Moi :oldman:

     
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    Assange was set up by Hillary for having revealed what was done to Sanders by the DNC. We voters are not supposed to know these things. To get revenge and justify her loss, and to make Russia an enemy so as to please the Russiaphobes and tax evaders who supported her and who padded her foundation, Hillary turned Assange into a Russian tool.

    According to a new 1,000 page report by our Senate Intelligence Committee, Wikileaks is a non-state hostile intelligence service. They base it on the coverage of Wikileaks by RT, and also on the platform given Assange when he hosted the 12-episode interview show in 2012 called World Tomorrow. You figure!

    This of course means Assange is connected to the Russian government, which in their minds wants to undermine our institutions and security. The whole report is packed with terms like; 'we are almost certain', and 'it is likely'. Nothing definite is said, and no proof is mentioned. It's just the usual 'Strategic Ambiguity' policy. In other words, lies, lies, lies and more lies.


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    To tell you all that right is wrong
    and what you thought was naught before
    was just a lie that you had bought -
    from us-Jeannette



     
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    2017. A little late.
     
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    your cuber security guy can do his job and spy on china, russia and co
    he does not have any excuse to spy on your own citizens, doing it because russia or china do it to is no excuse. wich i seem to remember is what happend in snowdens case
     
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    It was not beneficial because people like Assange our media and Harry Reid sabotaged it to the point that Iran won.
     
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    I have trouble buying into privacy rights online. When you hit "post", you are sending out a signal through the air. It would be like saying the early Native Americans had privacy rights to their smoke signals. No one should look at them or interpret them. Do we want to do everything we can to secure our signals and read others': yes. Are there some rights in principle here? I don't think so.
     
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    You asked for it. You got it. Deal with it.
     
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    Rather, the problem is that Snowden disclosed that under US law the NSA illegally wiretaps US citizens and other things ... but he is then the traitor for his act of disclosure, while none of the criminals in the NSA who ordered it , have even rudimentarily seen any US court for their crimes by US law!

    And with Assange, he pretty much destroyed the myth of the clean USA and the clean warfare of the USA which many Americans still believe, and with it all the hypocrisy that exists there.

    You know ... in general, I can often only laugh. Many are upset in the USA that Russia, as a foreign power, interfered in the US election campaign in 2016 ... even Trump does not deny that per se.
    But that the USA also did and still does this dozen of times in the world in many other coutries, also in Russia we keep silence about, of course, or worse: The USA is allowed to do this, all others are not ... is then said!
     
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    My point still stands. He released thousands of detailed files on the west while releasing nothing, or even giving his own context narrative on their adversaries. It's quite clear what the intentions were.
     
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    Like I said your anger should extend beyond the US and NSA as the files show illegal activity of a dozen or so countries, all western ofc
     
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    Certainly a completely justified objection that Assage has so far focused almost exclusively on the West with Wikileaks.

    On the other hand, it is also the case that everyone knows that e.g. Russia is not a great democracy and there is a lot that can and must be criticized. Our governments and media themselves are already playing Wikileals very often, isn't it?
    Then why should Wikileaks still get involved against Russia ...?
     
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    Iran won what ? Assange is a Hero . nothing like "our Media" which is propaganda central. Assange did nothing wrong - or illegal - but what he did do is help the American People - shining a light on one of the biggest attacks on civil liberty in this nation.

    You don't want the Gestapo spying on you ... real smooth move for someone to wish for something like that. fkn mental I would say.

    Thank you Snowden .. thank you Julian -- real heros --- as oppose to those who drop bombs from 1000 ft in the air on civilian population and call themselves "Brave" - and lest you not point out this as nonsense -- even in jest - or suffer serious consequences.
     
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    I know ... But in Snowden's case there is no warrant for treason in those other countries, isn't it?

    Likewise, that sometimes rattled a lot in the political landscape of these countries, i.e. various ministers and heads of secret services had to explain to investigative committees what had happened, etc. It cost some of them the jobs.

    Only ... were such committees of inquiry also in the USA, where e.g. the head of the NSA had to explain why he illegally wiretaps US citizens?
     
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    I admit that US/European politicians historically stoke fears against Russia so they can say they are the ones that can handle the problem. But I imagine Russian politicians do the same. I'm not saying Russia or the US is wrong in their cyber programs. Im saying that exposing just one side is wrong.

    I'm not one of those anti-Russian posters. I honor the Russian sacrifices made in our war on terrorists; I saw it firsthand in Afghanistan. I also had the opportunity to serve with Russians in Kyrgyzstan and felt nothing but respect and kindness from most. A former Russian nuclear scientist named Sasha tried to teach me chess on a lot of long boring nights. I even understand Russia's claim to Crimea and consider it similar to someone denying US access to Panama Canal. Just thought I'd give a little insight into my thinking...
     
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    No, it really doesn't. That was only one thing that Wikileaks has released on Russia. There's more. Wikileaks will release any info that they are given. If they are releasing more from the west then its because more people from the west are giving it to them. The only intentions that they have is to get governments to be more transparent and less abusive. Any other intention is assigned by you.
     
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    As I said, your accusation of one-sidedness is entirely justified ... and ultimately it's not about anti-Russian or pro-Russian.

    Only if our governments and media in the West ... Europe and the USA ... report in detail about Russia in such things (true and untrue issues) ... why should Wikileaks do the same when many others are already and still doing it?
     
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