"Atheism Produces Evil on Incredible Levels"

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  1. Qchan

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    As quoted by Kouki, "It is true that it's possible that religion can produce evil, and generally when we look closer at the detail it produces evil because the individual people are actually living in a rejection of the tenets of Christianity and a rejection of the God that they are supposed to be following. So it can produce it, but the historical fact is that outright rejection of God and institutionalizing of atheism actually does produce evil on incredible levels. We're talking about tens of millions of people as a result of the rejection of God."
    Source: http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5527

    Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism. There have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm. These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao.

    The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.

    The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole Hell-bound lot. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.

    Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!



    Additional Sources: http://creation.com/atheism#atheism-communism
     
  2. Tuatara

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    Not Professor Rummel again.


    What a hack

    http://www.crappytown.com/2011/12/why-rj-rummel-shouldnt-be-taken.html
     
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    Trying to use Communists to represent all of atheism again? Doesn't this ever get old enough that you want to give the Golden Rule a try? What's so hard about treating atheists with the same individualism you expect as a theists? Doesn't this bigotry ever weigh on your conscience?
     
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    Remember that the total rejection of God is the one sin that will not be forgiven.

    If any of you atheists out there think that you can turn to God at the 11th hour when you are in your deathbed you should know that he will not listen to you.

    If you think there is a chance you may want to come to God then you need to do it now before its too late.
     
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    Funny!

    I mean to say, that stuff about rejection etc only applies to, at most, one third of the population of earth. No else gives a hoot. Or rather, they give as much credence as you do to threats of missing out on Valhalla due to failure to worship Odin satisfactorily. Lose much sleep over that, do ya?

    We've had this chat before, Spooks. Any one religious belief is going to be about 99.999999999999999999+++% certain to be wrong, so it's spectacularly silly to spend any time at all worrying about it. They only way you could be even remotely certain of immortality (which is, after all, what's it's all about) is to worship every god ever dreamed up by humans, and somehow include the trillions upon trillions of gods dreamed up in other parts of this universe, and then the infinite number of gods dreamed up in all the other universes.

    Good luck with that :)
     
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    Dear Qchan, clinging to the life-raft of 'Communism as proof of atheist evil', while watching the jesus ship slowly sink.

    When you're reduced to pointing out the eastern despots of history in order to stay afloat, while furiously pretending Scandinavia doesn't exist, things are grim indeed :)
     
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    What are you talking about? I'm simply quoting and referencing facts. I see you're trying to distance yourself from the dark side of atheism, but considering you're an atheist yourself, you seriously cannot. This is the reality of the group you're affiliated with.
     
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    So, apparently the author of this article seems to think that just announcing that tens of millions died as a result of atheism proves the claim. It doesn't. He makes no link what-so-ever between atheism and the atrocities under Mao or Stalin.

    Uh, no, it's not a coincidence at all. Communist philosophy is very anti-religion since Marx wrote that religion was the "opiate of the masses"

    Which means that half didn't. So... why are you ignoring that half?

    As was pointed out, Prof. Rummel is not taken seriously except by Christians with an axe to grind against atheism or by conservatives with an axe to grind against communism.

    What the hell kind of comparison is this? It's utterly meaningless because there's no parallel. Why don't you compare the collective against the collective? How about comparing the worst atrocity to the worst atrocity? Otherwise you're clearly manipulating data with faulty comparisons. Why don't you talk about the Taiping Rebellion? Twenty million people died in that religious war.

    You don't understand statistics. Or you do and you're being willfully manipulative with the numbers.

    Again, you can't just compare unequal things and expect to be taken seriously. Compare equal things. Average versus average, collective versus collective, worst against worst.

    Yeah, for people who don't understand causation or even correlation. And you're literally comparing these numbers to nothing. Two of your comparison's don't even make sense because they aren't comparing equal things. Without those woefully incompetent comparisons, all you're doing is saying "Look at this number for atheism, it's bad!" But, is it? What are Christianity's death tolls at? What are the chances that a Christian theocracy will reek havoc on a populace? We don't know because your argumentation is just (*)(*)(*)(*) and should be laughed at.
     
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    I cannot begin to express how ridiculous this assertion is. There is nothing, I repeat NOTHING credible in the stats he is pulling out of the air, or the 'methodology' let alone his bizarre reasoning. No historical scholar or credible professor would ever throw out garbage like this. If someone dies of hunger in Stalinist Russia secondary to crop failure, is that counted as an atheist death because his policies reduced farm effectiveness or not, and is a famine in 1351 in Huguenot France treated differently? How do you figure out who got killed for politics and who got killed over religion and who got killed for power? Total Quackery.
     
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    Just the fact that only highly religious cultures are used in the argument, and NOT ONE actually non-religious culture, tells you everything you need to know. All they have left in the war on atheism is to scrounge around in history for a few stray despots. Desperation makes us choose unwisely, and in this hackneyed argument they could not have chosen more unwisely. You almost feel sorry for them.

    The smart ones have long since abandoned this turkey, and moved on to finding fault with the actual atheist cultures.
     
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    Remember that today, Religion is against sexual promiscuity.
    This idea means Religion s against Gays out-in-public telling us what they do and want to do.
    Religion is against music, drinking, nakedness,and all acts which could and will eventually support lewdness and sexual invitations.
    Religions are against Divorce, except for adultery.
    Religions are against Abortions, Gay Marriages, illegitimate babies, and other open acts that teach the next generation that shame is not existent.

    These things religion believes lead to Welfare, violent crime increases, child abuse of fatherless kids, high violent crime rates of people raised by single mothers.
    But worse, the seven major social institutions all crumble as society falls apart.
    Dictatorship or enemy invasion comes soon or later.
     
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    Remember that Communism is the only society on record which outlawed Religion as a crime.
    We saw this in China, too, which did not really have a religion, in spite of Taoism, which was a small effort at religion.
    China suffered for centuries, and religions were held back legally as they were until this last few decades.
     
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    ?
    He merely took a look at the few nations where religion was outlawed.
    What he sees appears to be as it was.

    Do you have a nation which was highly successful and endured which has outlawed religion?
     
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    That isn't his point. He's contending that atheism caused the atrocities under Stalin and Mao, and others.
     
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    OMG

    you people are utterly clueless. the Chinese are now, and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, deeply superstitious. also, authority fearing, and subservient. they will worship anything and anyone, if there's an advantage, or even just to make sure the ancestors get a good deal in 'heaven'.
     
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    once again, they did not outlaw religion, they outlawed the worship of OTHER GODS, in order to be worshipped themselves. they were self appointed deities, and the people in these countries worshipped them as such. that is the very antithesis of atheism.

    why don't you show us an electively atheist country which ISN'T peaceful?
     
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    Atheism produces nothing as it is simply one who does not believe that God exsists. Atheism has no dogma, mantra, agenda, mission statment... nothing but a belief that there is no God. Correlation is not synonymous with causation. Blaming atheism for the evils of the insane is to lack any and all objectivity.
     
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    Many people do horrific things in the name of God... I have never heard of someone doing a horrific thing in the name of atheism.
     
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    I'd claim that religion suppresses a natural evil within all humans. When humanity is "freed" from authoritarian/collective structures (e.g. family, religion) then the dark side of it (that was always there, just suppressed) becomes exposed.

    I personally don't follow religion because it keeps changing- too inconsistent. As far as I'm concerned- what's right now was right a thousand years ago and will be wrong one thousand years in the future. To believe otherwise is to claim murder could somehow be justified in a different era- that murder is wrong is just a belief of our times- and that right/wrong is dynamic rather than static/unchanging. Morality does not "compromise" or "reform" even if it means losing a belief system adherents.

    When the Churches started to claim that such and such that was once wrong, is now right, was when my ancestors gave up on it. Around the 1960's. Many people I know will flock to a "new religion" that simply remains as is, based around moral concepts that we can all agree upon, and not changing every few years to "suit the times".
     
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    All humans? How do you account for ISIS? The Salem Which Trials? The Branch Davidians?
     
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    Don't forget Ann Coulter
     
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    The "58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder" quote is the funniest thing I've read all day... but the day is young.
     
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    What are these tenets of Christianity? How many are there? Ten? Or one? Or more?

    Magic is so confusing. :blankstare:
     
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    Since you are comparing the Spanish Inquisition atrocities it’в be correct if you compare them to the atrocities of a single communist country against the clergy. Let it be Stalin’s Russia. How many people were killed on the basis of them belonging to the Church? And do not include there people being repressed on the charges of anticommunist activity.
     

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