Attack Against Christendom

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps you would be clueless. I even toyed with going into the ministry.

    And I left the mockers. Those who claim to be in a personal relationship and act like you just did.
     
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  2. Kyklos

    Kyklos Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, that article is very disturbing. Robert Parry has a lot of credibility.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No....you joined the mockers. They stood at the foot of the cross and mocked Jesus for who He claimed to be. So what? Many go into the "ministry" for all kinds of reasons.
    If one is a "Believer" that person is automatically in the ministry. Your flirtation with religion impresses me not one little bit.
     
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    The problem with being a Christian by word rather than by deed is that us non Christians judge Christians and Christianity by their/its deeds. When we see double standards we see hypocrisy and point it out. This can be perceived as an attack, and a justifiable one in my opinion as a those who preach morality should walk the talk or quit espousing impossible standards to measure up to.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes Robin....it is a shame and you are correct it is justified and as Christians we accept it. We set the bar high for ourselves yet we know we are imperfect. I myself can look at other Christians and find fault with them. That is wrong however because I know I am imperfect myself. I just try my best to keep my eyes on Jesus and remember He died for them as well. That speaks to their value. If what Jesus did was to come and judge us by our works, we ALL fail. Christians and mockers alike. It is when we, in humility, recognize we need salvation from our situation, we have a chance.
     
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    I wish there were more Christians like you. I respect the example that you have set here.
     
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    There are an awful lot of Christians that believe what I do. We adhere in what we try to replicate to the teachings of Jesus and his entire Word. We get together often and discuss what the Bible says to us and we learn from each other. It takes a deal of humility to do that but Jesus showed us a great deal of humbleness, yet at the same time, he stood for Holiness.
     
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    I agree as I have met a number of Christians like you. The problem is that your voices are being drowned out by the hypocrites among you who seem to make the most noise. But when I am at my most cynical I remember the handful of Christians who I know and have known who are my moral and ethical betters and keep my respect for the religion from completely fading away.
     
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    Your unchristian attitude proves that you are the mocker you claim about others.
     
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    Your mocking and disdain you have for believers, clarifies your position at the foot of the cross.
     
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    Easter means Resurrection.

    Easter means Revolution. Past evens cannot be changed....but we can change what they mean.

    But Christendom wants the status quo for fear of a possible great spiritual awakening. They have embraced NeoLiberal fascism and feel perfectly comfortable with the American Empire of mass murder, rape, torture, and robbery as long as it is hidden. In fact, they celebrate it. Instead of Christian spiritualism, we get corporate positive psychology. So boo hoo fascism! We know what is coming dear Christians so look on the bright side because that is the only option you have in this disgusting fascist Christian cult.

     
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    It appears that the United States' strategy to create a world wide religious proxy war to steal Middle Eastern oil and resources has finally reached a critical mass after all the church shootings by fascists internationally and domestic American fascists. Most religious wars are State sponsored proxy wars. The US material logistical support of the Mujaheddin to fight Russia in Afghanistan and the Irish/Catholic civil war in Britain are examples. Our media will do everything possible to present these terrorist acts as purely religious war while ignoring the states that are the driving force.
     
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    More Churches corrupted by the new Prosperity Fascist "Christian" Gospel: The founding pastor of a Chicago-area megachurch James MacDonald Fired from the Elders of Harvest Bible Chapel. Too ugly to detail.

    But happens if new the Prosperity Gospel ends up not so prosperous? They kill themselves and their family. Millions of right-wingers in the Midwest voted for the Reagan revolution in 1980: Democrats that were in auto assembly unions, meat butchers unions, constructions workers, fundamentalist Christians, and small farmers. There are now about 1 millions middle aged men missing--mostly white males that have committed suicide and in some cases homicide.

    The ugliest outcome of the Prosperity Gospel barring death is perhaps the case of Hate Comic and former Pentecostal preacher Sam Kinison from Tulsa, Oklahoma. The pay for preaching was not very good in a state in which many of its dirt poor citizens embraced a form of Christian fascism and right-wing extremism. In despair Kinison left that gig and to another in hate comedy. Kinison's hate "comedy" reveals the demonic powers of this pseudo-Christian fascism and its logical conclusion. Kinison was so hypocritical that even the non-religious are disguised.

    The Greenville, South Carolian- based “Relentless Church” Mega Pastor Reverend John Gray threatens his critics with a knife. We always need a Christian preacher that's good with a knife.

    Pastor Dave Gass of the Grace Family Fellowship in Missouri, renounced his Christian faith. The Rev. Gass was a Christian for 40 years with 20 years as a pastor said, “Church people are just sh*tty.” After many centuries of experience it has been determined that religion is a good thing for good people, and I bad thing for bad people.

    Amen.
     
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    That's because Liberation Theology is heresy.

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2015/07/the-errors-of-liberation-theology
     
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    Truly a nut tin-foil hat position, almost no serious historian believes what you wrote.
     
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    Did you see the first non-life become life?
     
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    Funny Trump is supposed to be the liar, but on the big question of the last two years, the Russia collusion fairy tale, Trump was truthful and the media/Democrats were liars.

    My Savior isn't a politician. I seem to recall lots of Obama-worshipers, some are still hooked on the Hopium.
     
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    Actually, a couple billion follow Jesus. None do it perfectly, which is why we're in need of a Savior.
     
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    Not according to Wikipedia, some Christians were duped into shilling for them. I'm glad the Communists were defeated or it would have turned into another Cuba or Venezuela.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_El_Salvador
     
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    Jesus predicted people like him in the parable of the sower. I'm sure Judas would have said he once was a believer.
     
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    Nope the Trump fairy tale that Russia didn't attempt to influence the election and the fairy tale that Trump didn't obstruct justice were demolished by the Mueller report. The collusion just wasn't proven because of the Trump team lies and obstruction into the investigation.
     
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    So yours is a fairy tale and the other is science.
     
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    I don't think anyone denies that, they've been trying to influence us since the 1917 Revolution. During the Cold War, some liberals were Soviet agents, and a couple were executed for treason.

    So why no indictments, like Bill Clinton had 11 of after the Starr Report?

    LOL, they outsmated Mueller, huh? Trump had every right to fire Mueller or Comey for any reason or no reason, as even Comey said. He didn't, nor did he claim executive privilege during the two year $25M investigation that saw millions of documents and interviewed hundreds of people. I only hope the investigation into the Deep State corruption than began this farce will be as thorough.
     
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    I am cautious of any fundamentalist cult in any religion. The problem in America is very serious. Con artists are common in all religious sects; however, in the last 40 years there have been breathtaking scandals in American Fundamentalists churches that involve both money and sex. Often these crimes happen in the churches themselves and are only locally publicized in the news and the court case details are forgotten then buried in all the other crime news.

    One excellent example is the disgusting case of Fundamentalist pastor Rev. Tony Leyva, a Cuban American that began preaching when he was only 9 years old in Miami.

    The Rev. Tony Leyva would as an adult dress up in a Superman costume calling himself “Super-Christian” to attract children in churches across the American South such as Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio,Virginia, Midwest, Pennsylvania and later the Caribbean for about 25 years.

    Rev. Tony Leyva was very popular in those mostly Southern States.

    Rev. Leyva became so well known among American Fundamentalist Christians that he even replaced Rev. Jimmy Swaggart with a weekly television show while Swaggart was off air dealing with a sex scandal in which Swaggart was being blackmailed for blackmailing another Christian minister for his sexually hypocrisy. The whole scene was really sick.

    Yes, Brother Tony Leyva and Brother Jimmy Swaggart were the two most popular Christian ministers in America--and might still be so!

    The Rev. Leyva was later discovered by police to have molested over 800 boys in fundamentalist churches across the American South since 1969. Brother Leyva was deeply involved in child sex slavery. Police estimated that Rev. Leyva personally molested more children than any single sexual predator discovered at the time and the American Christian child molestation record may still stand.

    The Leyva story was blacked out by most of the American media monopolies so you probably never heard of this scandal even though both ministers were the most popular Christian ministers in America. And guess what? Swaggart returned to Christian TV. The Repenting episode was really popular!

    Yet, daily these same Christian cultists, like Mike Pence, stand up in public claiming to be some kind of moral authority.

    There is a 1996 book entitled "Brother Tony's Boys: The Largest Case of Child Prostitution in U.S. History: The True Story." Author Mike Echols, a California-based child advocate.

    The story below is about one of the young victims.
    See news article:
    Old Wounds Reopened
    By Leef Smith
    November 24, 2002
     
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    I prefer the term Bible-believer, Jesus was one of those.

    Nothing new, false Christians have been around since Judas, Jesus warned against wolves in sheep's clothes. What Christian claims otherwise?

    How come I've never heard of Br. Leyva? Does it equally bother you all the public school teachers that molest kids, and does that prove something?

    I don't know the state of Swaggart's heart today and neither do you, but people can and do repent. Have you thought about doing so?

    Cite where Pence said that, or did you just make that up? The biggest fake moral authorities are leftist social justice warriors. Cross them and your career may be over.

    Awful, Br. Tony deserves life in jail or the death penalty. It sounds like more of a homosexual issue, as both he and all the perps were male.
     
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