Australia arrests 183 for setting bushfires that celebrities claim were caused by climate change

You're in a dream world.

 

If you believe we can get this planet back to how it was before you are the one who is dreaming. If you do not realise that if we do not put everything in in the next ten years or so we have had it you are the one who is dreaming. If you believe we can carry on as we are now and avoid society collapse, you are the one who is in a dream world. Hard Reality.

 

Propaganda Alert!

 

From the second paragraph in your Wikipedia quote you will notice the term “discontinuous” which I brought up before. Here is another reference confirming I am correct.
https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/frozenground/plants.html

 

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Wow. I’m kind of being effective. The part of my post you quoted was sarcasm as some members are aware.

But there is work yet to do. Do you realize that if we had the climate today of the 1950’s you would have likely gone without dinner tonight?The growing season through much of the ‘50’s was in the 110 day range. It is now in the 190 day range. You had the Appalachian snow storm of 1950 that killed 350 people. There was the Thanksgiving blizzard of 1950, the Romanian blizzard of 1954, the record breaking snow in Alaska in 1952. The 50’s were hell.

If you don’t want climate change the only option is population control. Period. The good news is climate change allows us to feed everyone going forward. Unless something “unexpected” happens and our climate begins cooling. Then we would face mass worldwide starvation.

 

Perhaps some people arrested lit campfires not arson intent? Or on total fire ban used a angle grinder outdoors but didnt start a fire?

Anyway people- here is a fine example of what else goes on in Australia. This farmer Andrew DRAIN lives on the north coast of NSW around the Taree area.

I feel i need to write this in an attempt to try and help some understand why i think the green movement have alot to answer for regarding these fires and the build up of fuel.
This is a complex issue but i will try my best.

In 2000 huge chunks of forestry land was handed over to NPWS. They then shut down alot of the fire trails and fenced and gated many more. They then banned all hoofed animals from the parks and kicked out the cows that helped keep the under scrub down.They also informed us they now had a no burn policy and if we got caught doing fuel reduction burns we now faced 25 years in jail.Then disappeared back into their offices never to be seen again.

The remaining forestery lands were defunded and also left to its own devices.
Ok that's the public lands.

Private land
The department of land and water conservation that was once a great organization that were staffed with people that had a pretty good understanding of on farm life and used to offer advise and also carry out capital works on country themselves changed.
I often went to them for advise regarding repairing and rehabilitating land for clients
Something that made up alot of my work. They were good to work with.

Until we got a state labor government that need green votes. When they were in office they got rid of the public works side of the department and started to seemingly stack the office with young uni educated kids that seemed to tow the line of a green agenda.
We found they were becoming more agressive towards our works and had a whole new set of ideas.
It didn't take long for the farmers we worked for see through their new agenda and before to long our friends there become the enemy and we were not welcome anymore.

That was ok though because they were basically pretty lazy and didnt leave their office very often .
We now know why because they were all working on destroying the farmers.

Unfortunately something we didn't realise at first until we were all called into public meetings so they could explain the new system they had designed for us.

First thing they took was the farmers ability to clear 5 acres a year that by this stage very few farmers did anyway down here on the coast.
Can't talk for over the range as i dont know.

Next thing was we could only build dams to a certain size and they had come up with a water harvesting fomula worked out on the size of the land holding that then determined how much water you could store.
So dams stopped being built. They instructed us that the rain was now theirs and it only landed on our lands on the way to their creeks and rivers and into the ocean.
As you can imagine the farmers couldn't understand why we were being denied water to just watch it flow into the oceans and we all become suspicious of what was going on in these offices.

Next thing you know they started turning up with maps and pink pens and had decided they could now tell you where and what you could do with your land and if they thought it was enviromentally sensitive out come the pink pen and they just marked the map as a no go zone decided by them with no evedience or consultation needed.

By this time my business and alot of our works been made illegal .We were never offered any compensation and told to "just reinvent yourself "..

Then come the blow of all blows the government decided to dereglate the dairy industry.Within 2 years we had lost over 600 dairies 2 processing facilities and 14 farmers had committed suicide just in this area alone.

This meant that alot of the farming land around here was now unviable to farm and the majority got split up and sold to Sydney hobby farmers. They soon learnt you couldnt afford to maintain the lands without on farm income so the land was left to overgrow with mainly lantana and other exotic weeds.
There is now thousands of acres of once good productive land covered in this overgrown fire hazard.

This is about the same time the EPA now the department of environment and heritage arrived on the seen. They were my new gate keepers.

Everytime a disgruntled greenie decided i shouldnt be operating a bulldozer they would ring and make an anonymous complaint and out of the office would come an officer.
I always tried to work within the law so we got to know them pretty well and they would turn up claiming their time had been wasted and we could continue with our works. I was never charged by them.

Until all of the sudden we started getting letters after the visits stating after further investigation they had decided not to take any further action and i would just be issued with an official warning. When i ask why i was getting an offical warning if i had done nothing wrong i was told don't worry thats just what we have to do.

Then in August 2017 the new liberal state government changed the native vegetation act so back into the department of land and water we went to try and find out the rule changes . We were not at all welcomed and told they didnt agree with the changes and would be implementing a go slow on any works we wanted to get through for our clients under the new rules. This is exactly what they did to the point my clients would just give up trying.
Again the green agendah had rared its ugly head

Now comes all our favorites the local council..They come up with a great new plan called the E4 Zone that is Enviromental living zone. This was brought in without one bit of consultation with the people and just imposed on peoples lands at councils discretion .

Finally it all come to a head a couple of yaers ago for me .I was clearing lantana from the back boundary of a property and the new ordnance officer from council turned up and informed me i was illegally clearing. He told me this land is now E4 zoned.
At that stage i had never heard of it. I was informed that meant no tracked machines allowed and even if the client wanted to build a cook pen they needed a DA. This was a rural block of 50 acres .
I pointed out it was a boundary between the NPWS land and was covered in lantana 40 foot up into the trees. I then asked how do we clear it and was told with high powered poison sprayers and it will die and disappear.
I couldnt believe what i was hearing. When i stated if i was fined for this it could possibly put me out of business.
I was told " good "..

Council then fined me for developmental without development concent. I challenged them in court and without being able to afford representation and the fact they spent over 30 k to make sure i was convicted i was screwed.
Not surprisingly those EPA official warnings turned up and painted me as someone that had had 3 warnings and was a bad boy..Thankfully the judge seen through their game and wouldn't allow them to increase my fine from 6k to the now 120k they wanted and also only awarded them 1500 towards there court costs stating they would only get what a duty solicitor would get.
But unfortunately couldnt over turn my conviction as i had actually broken their new law. He was not happy with their conduct.

Now this is just my experience in my local area of the Mid North Coast so i dont know if this is national. But if your wondering how our lands have become so overgrown and have huge fuel loads on them i hope this helps explain my version of what has happened in my area.

Now im not a climate change denier but to allow these departments to hide behind this when in fact they are the biggest offenders for allowing these huge fuel loads is crazy and if we do not address these government funded departments we will only bring more of the same in the future.

I expect all the abuse i will receive and have broad sholders so fire away. I'm passionate about our flora and fauna along with our food and water security so please try and understand i was never out to wantingly destroy our country i was just trying my best to help supply the food for the cities like so many of the rural community were and still are .

To try and blame the current PM is just ill advised as it's a state matter anyway that i believe has been aided by these departments and i do believe they should be help responsible for their crazy green agends.

That my friends is how i think the greens have created this situation without ever being in power.

Hope it helps some understand . I know alot won't want to. .lol

 

Do you not think that the total numbers and sizes of fires started by arson are necessary when you are trying to draw a conclusion as to the effect of them? A raw number of how many fires were deliberately started is next to useless without the full picture.

 

Sorry, did I draw a conclusion as to the effect of them?

 

This is disingenuous.
What are abnormal weather events now are projected to be the new normal by the end of the century if average temperatures rise by the 3 degrees predicted.
So, more regular storms and heavy rainfall in some areas. Severe droughts in others. Massive wildfires now seen in Australia happening in countries where they have not previously happened etc.
Any agricultural gains made in the short term due to increased CO2 could be wiped out by fires, storms, droughts and increased soil erosion.
We even had uncontrolled wildfires here in the normally wet British summer last year. Something I'd not seen before in my lifetime.
Yields were down on most crops here on this farm due to an abnormally dry spring and summer. We had 50 consecutive days without rain last spring which was unprecedented. As a farmer, I'm sure you understand the consequences of abnormal weather on crops.

 

How could you without all the information necessary?
Yet you are making a big thing about the raw number of arson attacks.
Now if you can show that deliberately started fires had a major impact on the size and severity of last years bushfires that would be a valuable conclusion but if not you are just quibbling about irrelevant numbers.
The links provided (not necessarily in this thread) seem to conclude that most of the fires started by arsonists were small in size and an insignificant number compared to the total number of fires.
Now I could spend my time digging up links for you but I think you will benefit from doing it yourself and you can check the validity of the sources against your own personal bias.

 

I do not doubt the anti-climite folks, flat earthers and anti-smokers woudl lie to make their points - next they will say the sound of windmills causes cancer

 

I'm no expert but it looks like discontinuous would be as you say.

When the surface gold miners hid frozen ground they just give up and move elsewhere. The frozen material is too hard on their equipment to bother with. On one show however toward the end of the mining season they piled logs on top of some exposed frozen ground and lit a fire which melted the ice and allowed them to remove it with an excavator and run through their wash plant.

 

In my world I observe and question and do homework. I encourage you to do the same.

 

How am I making a "big thing" about it? I'm mentioning it because it is RELEVANT.

 

That by the way is true. The noise is very stressful to some individuals and there is a link between high levels of stress, degradation of the immune system, and cancer.

 

In California the arsonists had a major impact on the size of the wild fires they started.

 

Same here in California with the additional factor that the morons in Sacramento forced green spending on PGE depleting their line maintenance budgets.

 

lol, that is a stretch, so by your logic, Trump is a cancer risk and should be banned as he stresses people?

Trump supporters really have to go the extra mile to believe what Trump says is true

 

Not without the full story, it isn't.
For example

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science...reased-by-40-per-cent-over-five-years/7153182
I'm having trouble getting a number for 2019 but there would have to be a very significant decrease in numbers for 200 fires a year to be relevant amongst figures of over 4 thousand fires per week wouldn't you say?

 

It’s not by my logic. It’s a proven medical fact. Increased stress levels can contribute to cancer.

I would encourage those stressing out about Trump to actually study the issues. For example all the stress coming from lowering the US corporate tax rate to 21% would be alleviated with the knowledge that that is the same as the corporate tax rate in Sweden. Also in the US the top 10% of income pay 45% and in Sweden they pay 27%. The US is already more progressive that Sweden which taxes the middle class exorbitantly.

 

so your saying Trump is a cancer risk... got it

 

I would direct you back to post #1231 for starters. And #1232 is an excellent post.

This is interesting as well.
https://www.pascalbonenfant.com/18c/geography/weather.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...-looked-like-as-this-years-heatwave-continues

 

I'm saying that thanks to Trump we are more progressive than Sweden. That should relieve your stress and lower your cancer risk. Thanks Orange Man.

 

Trump causes people stress, Trump is a cancer risk by your logic