Australia arrests 183 for setting bushfires that celebrities claim were caused by climate change

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  1. chris155au

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    It's not an opinion that bush land was used for carbon credits and therefore can't be back burned, it's FACT!
     
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    Would you say that the interests of a fanatic terrorist movement would be advanced by a bomb killing people?

    So shouldn't anti-Islamic immigration activists be suspected whenever bombs go off and used to advance their political agenda?

    Yeah, but have they committed criminal acts?
     
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    Does it say due to location?
     
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    I know, reasonable is hard for some folks. The fuels has to come from some where, no? And the fuel that is now burning in AU wasn't because of flooding, it was because nature rained a little more, a little more often in some parts of the continent, and plant life flourished for a while. And then, as happens on the continent, the rain abated, there was a drought. And instead of understanding this, or otherwise taking measures that might keep all that now dried out fuel from becoming raging fires, Australians did nothing to reduce the obvious risk. Nothing about the climate or it "changing" in a couple of years, created the fires, or their intensity this time. The ownership of those fires belongs to the governments, the local municipalities that failed to clear away the drying brush before the fires could become that intense. What changed you ask? The temperance of the communities there intent on "not disturbing nature" or "preserving the natural habitats", or whatever non managerial framework you want to put around this, and it led, inexorably to these fires. Oh, and arson didn't hurt the chain of events. They literally were the spark.

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    So the answer to your narrative is, you don't know, the internet couldn't provide you with an appropriate answer so you punted. Got it. So, instead, you thought you could BS your way through what is actually the most monumental tyranny you'd impose on others because you'd believe that CO2 is just buckets of chicken for you to stop eating.. Sorry, this doesn't work this way. So, perhaps, or not, try again, and find someone, anyone ( I bet it pains you that Goldman Sachs is behind the whole carbon credit swap thing..huh) that has a plan that actually anthropogenically cools the planet. We have time... lots of time.
     
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    I think it did say that.
     
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    Yes, fanatic terrorists bombers think they are advancing their cause.
    Has there been 1 anti-Islamic immigrant activist terror bombing?

    I Googled environmentalist crime the day I suggested you search the issue. This was current news:

    "Around 150 protesters have been detained by police in Belgium after staging a 'die-in' at the Brussels motor show to block access to the event. The civil disobedience group Extinction Rebellion called on its members to meet inside the show where they dispersed into groups. ...
    The group was aiming to denounce the role that car engines and the automobile industry play in the climate crisis. Some activists chained themselves to cars on display at the show.
    One partially naked man covered in blood-like paint shouted: “Shell kills". Others covered cars in red paint."
    EURONEWS, Extinction Rebellion climate activists disrupt Brussels motor show, By Euronews with AFP • last updated: 18/01/2020 - 22:36.
    https://www.euronews.com/2020/01/18...climate-activists-disrupt-brussels-motor-show

    Fanatics tend to violate laws to advance a cause.
     
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    You referred to "fanatic terrorist movement" which would be "advanced by arson." What fanatic terrorist movement are you referring to?

    Not that I know of, but has there been 1 climate change activist lighting a bushfire?

    I certainly don't support this, but it is very different to lighting a fire and then blaming it on climate change. This would be like 150 anti-Islamic immigration protesters staging a 'die-in' at an event to block access to it and then using this act to say that it is evidence of anti-Islamic immigration activists being responsible for a bomb in order to blame it on Muslims to advance their cause. I'm sure that right wingers, even specifically anti-immigration ones have been guilty of breaking the law during protests before somewhere in the world.

    Yeah, absolutely.
     
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    So, this is why experts and scientists are important. Pseudoscience is exactly this. A story that sounds sort of plausible to people who don't know anything about the subject. Mercury poisoning symptoms are superficially similar to autism, there are trace amounts of mercury in some vaccines, so vaccines cause autism. Look across a flat plain, and the earth looks flat, so we get flat earthers. We can always always make up a story that sounds good to us to justify what we want to believe. The evidence and expert analysis just doesn't stack up.
     
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    Well, the entire premise of the question is wrong. Which my analogy illustrates. Now, if we want to 'cool' the future, we know exactly how to do that: reduce or eliminate greenhouse gas emissions.

    As for goldman, no that doesn't concern me lol. First of all, there is a lot more behind it than goldman. Second of all, if we want to 'follow the money,' goldman is a pimple on the left nut of sinopec, and royal dutch shell, and saudi aramco, and china national petroleum, and bp, and exxon mobil, and..and...and...and.... etc etc, the list goes on and on and on.
     
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    So, when faced with the actual facts, as you say, folks.. like you... stomp back angrily to your pseudoscience and attempt to remake your fractured narrative. The sad part is continuing to ignore your own culpability here is not just affecting you, continuing to support those kinds of land management practices that promote and cause these catastrophes is unconscionable, and yet, here you are, demonstrating the same level of propensity to engage in your own pseudoscientific fantasy and lecturing the rest of us. Yup. we get it.
     
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    Except experts and scientists agree with me. I didn't make anything up out of whole cloth. All I do is repeat the actual science and experts.
     
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    Ok. So there you have actually adopted a plan. So, riddle me this. Nature itself is responsible for ~96% of all CO2 production around the globe, and as it happens, the naturally occurring warming from the rebounding from the last cool cycle accelerates the natural release of CO2 into the atmosphere. So, while you wittle away at what Man can do, Nature will dwarf our efforts going forward. So, what do you suppose the actual answer to this phenomenon is?

    Nice to know that you're so glib about the single most dangerous financial scheme to enrich the oh so very few. We can frame this one for posterity. The fact that you cannot even reference the impact or the use of the UN to try to codify it is kind of laughable. Perhaps you should spend a lot more time learning before you bring your superficiality here...
     
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    And experts, including many scientists these days agree entirely with me. So, while you probably aren't capable of actually making any cloth yourself, you sure bought a lot of it...
     
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    This just flat out isn't true.
    Why are you worried about the influence of a tiny company like goldman, but not the gigantic behemoth of special interest influence that are fossil fuel companies?
     
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    Can you support this? What scientists? Is it more than a tiny fringe or paid off singleton? Is it any? Have they published to that effect?
     
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    Honestly, it doesn't speak well of your knowledge base when something so easily referenced, on the internet no less, from reputable studies is categorically ignored by folks like you. It speaks to your faith.

    If you are unaware of the trillions of dollars in play, and the weight of that much wealth transfer in support of the UN, I can't help you here. And the idea that once implemented, carbon swap markets permanently guarantee income based on those trillions in wealth transfer, just doesn't seem to bother you. I mean, I can get some of the action via public stock, but the real wealth guarantees are for those, like mr Gore who are the "owners" of those markets who likely stand to make the most off of the backs of the oh so many. Now that sounds like proper liberal politics, and constantly blowing up the wealth of the masses does make them feelz better for sure. Who knew you were a part of that?
     
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    Wouldn't every "fanatic terrorist movement" accept arson as a legitimate means to advance their cause?
    Why would they reject arson - or any other crime? 911 was the use of arson as a terror weapon.

    "Remember those Amazon Forest Fires that dominated the news until Hurricane Dorian broke the second seal of the apocalypse? It turns out that “man” was responsible for at least a few of those fires after all. Well, the four men who set the fire.

    Four members of an NGO have been arrested for starting fires in protected forests. They started a blaze then took pictures which they sold to the World Wildlife Federation for large sums of cash."
    GROKTV, World Wildlife Federation Paid $70,000 to Activists who Set Fire to Amazon Forest, BY STEVE MACDONALD / 27 NOVEMBER 2019.
    https://granitegrok.com/blog/2019/1...00-to-activists-who-set-fire-to-amazon-forest
     
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    Well sure, if it had the effect of advancing their cause.

    You mean because of the resulting fires? "Arson" doesn't really tell the full story though does it.
    They were arrested but released weren't they?
     
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    Terrorist fanatics are focused on causing terror and fear. Man made global warming activists have become doomsday fanatics.
    Telling "scary stories" has been the stated tactic of environmental extremists from the start. 'Global warming' caused those fires.

    Arson, like every other terrorist atrocity never tells the full story.

    Yes, they were released. Does that mean we should presume they are innocent?
     
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    Well, I hope no one is presuming anything.

    Due process for the win.:flagus:
     
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    Climate nutters are so in denial and so narrow-minded that they always find excuses when the truth goes against their fake narrative. I would venture to guess the vast majority of the nutters were born from the late '70s on......so by the time they were old enough to comprehend the leftist climate propaganda, they've just come to believe it as fact because they've been brainwashed their entire lives.

    But if you were born before that time then you understand how this song and dance goes. **** we were all supposed to have frozen to death by now because the 'science was settled' in the '70's and hairspray was the cause.

    All this talk about 'climate change' reminds me of the time CO2 didn't have diddly to do with the 1930's when temps were the highest in recorded history and a massive decade-long drought took place in America.

     
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    They are not all "nutters".
    Always follow the money. ;-)
     
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    Due process is for the the law and the courts. Human beings have to be free to form opinions based on known facts.
    We can presume guilt, but we cannot punish.
     
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    If we can presume guilt, we can do anything we want.

    "Get a rope, boys!"
     

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