Australia suffers deadliest day of pandemic as Omicron drives up hospital cases

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Quit ranting on and on .. making all these made up nonsense accusations "Conspiracy - Debunked"

    What Conspiracy -- what has been debunked. What is your deal .. can't even state what it is you are talking about ?

    What claim did I make that has you so riled up .. that you can't even state what it is ?
     
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    More like 24 deaths per Aussie
     
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    And you are still not backing your claims

    Your claims that have been debunked time and time again
     
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    Your post and your link is misinformation. Just 'cause Mussolini hated communism didn't make Mussolini a righty especially since most of his economic desires were to primarily use socialism to distribute goods and services in his government (which classically and ultimately made Mussolini a lefty) - Your dopey link not withstanding.

    For crying out loud, General George Patton hated communism too... Did that also make Patton a fascist??:roflol:...The American general who fought Mussolini in World War II??...Even if Patton was a lefty and voted democratic his entire voting life??


    Bill Clinton was partial to capitalism. Did that make Bill a fascist even if Bill won the presidency the first time in 1992 as a democrat?:roflol:
     
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    Reagan was a right-libertarian and just like all libertarians Reagan mistrusted gov't officials most of the time and was offended by both parties all of the time.

    Or you could read the previous post I sent to another.
     
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    I never said he was a “righty” but I think I well and truly demonstrated he was not a “lefty”

    However I do believe I have proven you were in error in regards to your appellation
     
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    I clearly demonstrated that hating communism doesn't make one a righty (as your link posits).
     
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    Either you completely misunderstood my post or, more likely, are just avoiding its implications.

    What is clear is that you have little to no worthwhile understanding of what Fascism is. Thats OK, its pretty much mandatory for Americans across the political spectrum to torture historical face to make Fascism what they want it to be.

    I could spend a bunch of time explaining the specifics & the all important historical context context, but we both know it would be a total waste of my time. Even if you could understgand it you would just ignore it. I was right the first time.
     
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    That fascism only comes from the right is misinformation. Both sides of the political aisle are guilty of fascism. Biden, Cheney and all progressives, for examples, are fascists. Trump is the opposite of a fascist according to the classical definition for fascism.

    Mussolini was a lefty. That Mussolini hated communism is no indication Mussolini was a righty. BTW, Mussolini had relatives with personally bad encounters with communism in the rest of Europe and Italy.

    Mussolini favored socialism in his governmental policies which makes him a lefty in the classical sense of what constitutes righty and lefty, er, at least before misinformation like what you cite defiled the definition for fascism.:roll:
     
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    Wow! Talk about reading what is not there.

    Sounds like an Opera meme “You a fascist! And you are! And you are! everyone is a fascist!

    Dude - it just a word. One you have obviously applied some meaning of your own to. That is fine - we are just pointing out that agree
     
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    You're right. I didn't read a link from Wikipedia (which can be changed by anyone/and or everyone).

    I'm familiar with the bogus and misinformed definition for fascism which many are attempting to foist on the rest of the world.
     
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    said best in the Princess Bride
     
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    I'm applying the classical definition for fascism. I'd don't care where you get your fascism misinformation from.

    EDIT: Closer to your home, I suspect, the gov't of Australia is fascist.
     
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    For the 3rd time - What claim would you like backed up - the one that has been "debunked" .. is "conspiracy"

    I'm troubled - What is it that can complel a normally well spoken - intelligent - rational - coherent indidividual - to fall off the turnip truck like this -- responding like a how someone on the religious right often responds to my posts which crucify silly abortion argument - not from only a secular perspective .. but a religious one as well .. which really brings out the goblin -- the posts you click on "like like like"

    but I understand this reaction from the RR -- understand it very well - kind the point in my engaging with such folks .. to understand mechanism better.

    What troubles me is when I get this in the secular arena .. not from some bumpkin from the back woods - that I understand as well - kind of a religioun conflated with politics thing .. but from someone with aforementioned characteristics.

    Think is related to some "Necessary Illusion" being challenged - but which one ? .. don't worry though .. we shall try to extract the poison lizard.
     
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    Sorry to disappoint you but your meme is hyperbole.:roll:
     
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    Remember now?
     
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    I never ask anyone to believe the unsupported positions of online posters, but I expect rational educated people to believe well documented history.

    "He declared a Day of National Labor and treated it as a day of unity between worker and the government. The main rally was held that evening at Tempelhof airfield where several hundred thousand workers and their leaders gathered to hear the Fuhrer expound on the dignity of labor and the need for national unity.... when he finished the workers cheered as if he had promised them the world, and before they could emerge from the magic of his words they were singing the national hymn and the 'Horst Wessel Lied.'"

    "The next morning the SA and SS, with the help of police, seized union offices throughout the nation. Labor leaders who had yesterday pledged allegiance to the government were arrested in their homes; union files and bank accounts were confiscated and labor newspapers shut down. Before nightfall organized labor in Germany was obliterated. But Hitler promised the workers that they would be better off than ever in the new German Labor Front and their rights would be fully protected. There was no uprising, no organized protest, and by the end of the month the vast army of workers was marching obediently behind the swastika. *They had changed from red to brown without breaking step*." (emphasis mine), John Toland, Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography (1976), Anchor Books, p 311,312.

    The truth often hurts. The Left's support for Hitler and Mussolini was very stupid.
    Human beings cannot learn from mistakes until they first admit the painful truth.
     
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    Yes, Hitler and Mussolini were role models for many "progressives".

    "In Hitler, Fidel studied a leader who was profoundly and comfortably anti-Anglo Saxon and who created a power base from an alienated and atomized lower middle class not unlike the workers and farmers who were awaiting a similar "Messiah" in unfinished Cuba. But most of all what Fidel saw in Hitler was the degree to which histrionically he was in C. J. Jung's sensitive and revealing terms, " the mirror of every German's unconscious …the loudspeaker which magnifies the immediate whispers of the German soul until they can be heard by the German's unconscious ear…"

    The brash and daring Mussolini offered a still more interesting model for Fidel, who later taught his people to shout to him, *Comandante-en-Jefe, Ordene!*, words which were uncannily similar to Mussolini's exhortations to his crowds to *Credere, Obbidire, Combattere* ("Believe, Obey, Fight"). Always Mussolini played endlessly on the theme of the rich versus the poor nations, and Mussolini's artistry in wooing (and despising) the people through his speeches was eerily akin to Fidel's. 'When the masses are like wax in my hands,' Il Duce said once, 'when I stir their faith, or when I mingle with them and am almost crushed by them, I feel myself to be part of them. All the same, there persists in me a certain feeling of aversion, like that which the modeler feels for the clay he is molding." Georgie Anne Geyer, Guerilla Prince, The Untold Story of Fidel Castro, Little Brown & Company, Boston 1991, p 43.
     
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    I made a number of claims ... you refused to specify which one you were calling "Conspiracy - Debunked" .. so lets start with the first claim 1 in 10,000 males 16-29 get myocarditis from the Jab.

    Israeli Data Favor Higher Estimates of Post-Vax Myocarditis
    — Results echo the controversial VAERS study from September

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/94892

    The claim is "males 16-29 - 1 in 10,000 myocarditis" from the vax

    Your claim is that the two studies conducted by the Israeli's - which condurred with a US study is "Conspiracy" -- "Debunked"

    The floor is yours .. let the debunking begin ..
     
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    Yes, but remember - math is hard.

     
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    Tell me she answered 17 :)
     
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    Selective aren’t you? That was not your claim and after I went to all the trouble of quoting the post where you made the unsupported claims - let’s go ther again

    . Etc etc etc

    Now no-one is denying that we’re have seen post vaccine myocarditis following MRNA vaccines, BUT even your own link does not support your original claims - which is why I suspect you have attempted to goal shift
    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068665
    https://www.newscientist.com/articl...on-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/
    https://www.health.gov.au/initiativ...rs/clinical-guidance/myocarditis-pericarditis
    https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/11/covid-19-vaccination-guidance-on-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-after-mrna-covid-19-vaccines_1.pdf

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    ruth is we are still assessing the impact of Omicron but since ALL variants attack the endothelium I doubt we will see myocarditis rates lower than the vaccines
     
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    I made numerous claims .. my link supported the claim I had to select . because you havn't stated which claim you are talking about. ... what original claims .. and what shifting of goal posts .. there is no goal post .. you won't say which claim you accused of being "Conspiracy" "Debunked"

    You then post a buch of links .. supposed to be supporting what claim ? .. and where is the clip from one of those links which debunks something.

    1) what are you saying is "Debunked" "Conspiracy" 2) where is the clip from one of your links ... supporting this claim. .. you know .. like I did for you .. exactly supporting my claim .. which you grant in a backhanded way.

    Enough nonsense .. back up your caim ..
     
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    I went to the trouble of showing the quotes leading back to the claim you are refusing to validate

    post 171 on this thread http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-hospital-cases.596189/page-7#post-1073205705

    I have posted the contentious sections more than once. Just to clarify your OWN claims - you were claiming that the risk of myocarditis from the Omicron variant was “way lower” that that of the vaccine now while we are at it how about these numbers

    Where are your links because I for one would LOVE to see actual research data backing the effect of Omicron

    Oh! And as far as I am concerned if claims like the one you made, and are trying to dodge validating, are not backed by research or validated data then it is either conspiracy site garbage or the person is making it up
     
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