Ban discrimination based on sexuality/gender id, nationwide?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Ronstar, May 13, 2019.

?

Ban discrimination based on sexuality/gender id nationwide?

  1. Yes

    5 vote(s)
    29.4%
  2. No

    8 vote(s)
    47.1%
  3. Ban it for sexuality, but not gender identity.

    4 vote(s)
    23.5%
  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,665
    Likes Received:
    11,236
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Tell you what, I'll only be in favor of this law if we also passed another law allowing the judge, jury, and person who's bringing the lawsuit, to be whipped, if it's discovered they caused the business unfair expense when there was not proper evidence that the business had actually unfairly discriminated.

    The person who's complaining about feeling "discriminated" should be open to equal lawsuit liability as the business themselves.

    A business owner should be able to say misogynistic things about women without that being used as evidence against him.

    Now, how exactly are these laws going to prove that the woman was discriminated for no other reason than that she was a woman?

    Is the business going to have to intentionally hire extra token female employees and give promotions to women who may not be deserving, just to help the business avoid lawsuits?

    These laws will cause just as much unfairness as they will solve.
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2019
  2. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2008
    Messages:
    18,998
    Likes Received:
    3,612
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No it is not immoral. It is not immoral to force you to shop at their store just because they are white and a jew and the same morality applies

    Yes it is immoral to make it illegal for walmart to do that just as it would be immoral to force black people to shop at walmart

    Equal opportunity is contradicted by these anti discrimination laws
     
  3. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    31,067
    Likes Received:
    28,519
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Just a question, but why do you think Mayor Pete (or Butty) polls at 0% in AA communities?
     
  4. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    31,067
    Likes Received:
    28,519
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Liberals won't ever accept being held accountable for their frivolity.. we know this... right?
     
  5. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,665
    Likes Received:
    11,236
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sounds like a good idea because it gives more "rights" to workers, and lays all the financial burden and potential for unfairness on businesses.

    Kind of a lot like the #MeToo movement accusations, when you think about it...

    In their quest to be "liberated", they don't care who they have to put in chains.
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2019
    drluggit likes this.
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    America is supposed to be the land of opportunity, not the land of discrimination.
     
  7. Right is the way

    Right is the way Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2013
    Messages:
    3,214
    Likes Received:
    1,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I would rather be banned then have them spit in my food. Racists need to be exposed for who the are and then let capitalism put them out of business. If someone does not want me in there store them I also would not to give them money.

    We have black people and alot of latino workers at my Walmart. You must be living in the hot bed of racist scum or it is a new police that my store did not receive. But my guess would be you are once again grasping at straws and making stuff up, more par for the course for you.
     
  8. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So u think we no longer need anti-discrimination laws, because bigotry doesn't exist?
     
  9. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2008
    Messages:
    18,998
    Likes Received:
    3,612
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Dont use logic thats not fair
     
  10. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2008
    Messages:
    18,998
    Likes Received:
    3,612
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We never needed them at all

    Bigotry will always exist and these laws merely makes it worse.

    Ending Jim Crow was a legitimate and moral act as Jim Crow MANDATED discrimination. Outlawing discrimination however is as bad as mandating it.

    Most businesses will only discriminate in favor of green while those which are run by bigots will simply die out over time

    Instead we built laws which violate the principle of equality under the law and those laws discriminate in a self defeating effort to end discrimination
     
    crank likes this.
  11. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So you think racial, ethnic, religious discrimination is an inalienable right for all private business owners.

    Funny, I always thought Conservatives believed in Universal Opportunity to achieve and strive for the American Dream.

    I guess not.
     
  12. Right is the way

    Right is the way Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2013
    Messages:
    3,214
    Likes Received:
    1,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There are absolutely bigots out there. Like I said expose them and put them out of business.

    I noticed you completely ignored my Walmart out of the post. I really want to know does your Walmart truly have a policy against hiring black people.
     
  13. Right is the way

    Right is the way Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2013
    Messages:
    3,214
    Likes Received:
    1,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They do and anyone has the right to start a competing business and make the racist scum go broke. It seems like an easy win for someone. If to stores sold the same product for the same price right next to each other, and one was owned by a racist a** and the other by a real nice and friendly person which one would you shop at?
     
  14. AltLightPride

    AltLightPride Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2017
    Messages:
    2,034
    Likes Received:
    1,215
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What makes you think a racist company would be put out of business though? I'm pretty sure they would have a loyal customer base of racists.

    Appealing to only a small percentage of the population is not a bad business decision as long as you secure their loyalty. It's a niche market like any other.
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2019
  15. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    what if a whole town, a whole city, comes together and decides to enact policies that ban Muslims, Gays, Jews, blacks, Irish?

    you cool with that? thats the kind of America you want to live in?

    wow
     
  16. Right is the way

    Right is the way Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2013
    Messages:
    3,214
    Likes Received:
    1,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    As long as I am not forced to live there I feel it is their choice. A stupid choice but there. Ion the plus side we would know where all the racists live, which I think would be a good thing. Then when they go try to get a job the employer can see where they live and not hire them. How is that not a win for everyone? A hidden snake that you do not know is there, is far more dangerous than one out in the open.

    Once again does your Walmart really not hire block people?
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2019
  17. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,665
    Likes Received:
    11,236
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The real irony is that enforcing immigration law would do far more to prevent block people from being discriminated against, at least at the walmarts where I used to live.
    employers would often prefer to hire illegal aliens
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2019
  18. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    do you think it should be legal for them to do so, or do you believe in Equal Opportunity for all Americans regardless of race?
     
  19. Right is the way

    Right is the way Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2013
    Messages:
    3,214
    Likes Received:
    1,584
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No I do not think they should but I think they should be able to. Once again then we can know what type of people run that company and I would never shop there again. If enough people are like minded they will soon go out of business. I feel it is easier to fight racism that is out in the open, then to fight passive racism. No matter how much the government tries they can not solve racist activity. It is up to us the American people to stand up to people and show them how we will not except that kind of behavior with our pocket book. I want to know who the people are so I can make sure that I do not help them.
     
  20. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,528
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why is secretary and teacher low in status to you? Perhaps the problem is in the eye of the beholder.

    Transgenderism is unnatural by definition. The reality of your physical biology can't be pretended away. This is why so many of them have a laundry list of associated mental illnesses.

    If someone thinks they're a fish, you don't submerge them and tell them to breathe harder or graft fins onto them.
     
    kazenatsu likes this.
  21. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2015
    Messages:
    18,281
    Likes Received:
    6,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That is the America I live in. No need to pass laws, people segregate themselves naturally. Where I grew up the Blacks, Jews and Gentiles all lived in their separate neighborhoods.
     
  22. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2010
    Messages:
    16,405
    Likes Received:
    7,071
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Check the wage scales on various professions and see if you don't see a correlation between those dominated by men, and those dominated by women., When the eye of the beholder owns the keys to the economic castle, the problem becomes bigger than some suspect vision.
     
  23. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2008
    Messages:
    18,998
    Likes Received:
    3,612
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I wouldn't know since I am not a conservative.

    Demanding that the government force to make others cooperate with you is not opportunity.

    You oppose opportunity and prefer coercion and violent theft with government as your weapon
     
  24. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,528
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well women are welcome to work on oil rigs if they'd like, but they don't choose those jobs, do they?

    Just because women choose less dangerous professions, or professions they don't have to work 80 hours a week at, doesn't make what they do choose substandard in any way.
     
  25. Jimmy79

    Jimmy79 Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2014
    Messages:
    9,366
    Likes Received:
    5,074
    Trophy Points:
    113

    I agree with you except for the bolded part with 1 caveat. I think it should only apply to privately owned businesses. Publically traded companies should be held to a higher standard.

    I dont believe gay is a choice. I believe it's a mental disorder (not meaning it's a bad thing or needs to be treated), a response to trauma (I know 2 lesbian women intimately and both were molested by men when they were children), or a combination of the 2.
     

Share This Page