Barr and the endless search for the obvious

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    Golly. the horror. How many direct communications has the Biden campaign already had? You know, just doing homework for the potential of being president? For that matter, how many direct communications with the Ukrainians? Well, those likely don't count given that they are legal defense conversations. when you think about it, given the standard democrats set for Trump, shouldn't Biden have already been impeached?
     
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    Turley, who has become a reliable apologist for Repub misdeeds, never mentions that Barr lied in his statement about Berman resigning, never mentions Berman's refusal to sign a politically motivated DOJ letter admonishing DeBlasio as a reason for his removal, never mentions Barr's prior quotes asserting that the SDNY needed to be "reined in," (what better way to achieve this than putting a Trump sycophant in charge) and possesses zero credibility in weighing in on Barr since Turley ignores Barr's infamous mis-characterization of the Mueller report for Trump's benefit.
     
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    If you have any evidence of.......oh I don't know..........Biden's presumptive national security adviser contacting the government of a foreign adversary to undermine official US policy please do tell. Or perhaps you know of an instance when Biden contacted the leader of a foreign government and promised favors in return for that leader announcing an investigation in to the Trump admin.
    Otherwise, as usual, you've really got nothing to say.
     
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    No. The claims in your opening post are evidence free slander and fake news. The key to avoiding this is to demand evidence for accusations. That's Jonathon Turley's point.
     
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    Of course, all of that is officially on the record already. When to you think the DNC will start impeachment?
     
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    As Nadler said last week, there is no point in impeachment since Repub senators are in the bag for Capt. Clorox. Caring only about their own re-elections to the exclusion of the facts, the rule of law, the Constitution, and the country.
     
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    Barr started out mischaracterising the Mueller report.

    I'm not interested in arguing this one, but I will keep my counsel, counselor.
     
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    Nadler said that, about Biden? You're sure?
     
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    Perhaps you'd like to provide your proof?
     
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    Oh.... yeah. The always popular (among Trump supporters) "I'm rubber you're glue" argument. It's about the only argument they can think of now, isn't it?

    Sorry.... but it doesn't quite work without evidence. You're free to keep trying, though.
     
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    I raise you the video of where Biden not only admitted it, but bragged that he did it. Smoking gun? For sure!!
     
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    Sure.... go for it! Let's see that video in which Biden admits that his campaign has been in contract with some foreign government to help him defeat Trump.... or any evidence of the type Trump got himself impeached for.
     
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    No he didn't. The entire Mueller "Investigation" was a farce. What they did to Flynn is an embarrassment to all of us.
     
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    I am so looking forward to the Biden administration. The Trumpists are hiding a lot, there is a less than zero chance it won't stink when it finally gets exposed.

    But we'll just have to wait for the specifics.
     
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    Surely you jest. You do understand what the word interim means don't you?
     
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    Your claims are a great example of unsupported wish-casting.

    Trump/Barr need another term to restore the Rule of Law.

    It is the law that makes us ‘the best of animals.’ So saying, Aristotle had a very specific conception of justice in mind: ‘The law is reason free from passion.’ Committed to live under it, mankind is ‘perfected.’ There is, however, a flip side. ‘When separated from law and justice,’ as happens when passion overwhelms reason, mankind ‘is the worst of all.’

    https://spectator.us/rule-law-collapsing-rayshard-brooks/

    Which would make this, potentially, the worst of times.

    The streets of many of America’s Blue cities are aflame. Some of it is anarchic. Most of it is methodical mayhem. Cultural Marxists are not merely desecrating statuary, they are erasing history. Naturally, this is done under the guise of ideals such as ‘anti-racism’, ‘anti-fascism’, and ‘equality’. Up close, the anti-racists are race-obsessives, the anti-fascists are totalitarian ideologues, and the radical egalitarianism on offer is a perversion that would supplant equality of opportunity with coerced results and an inevitable caste system. As woke white campus reactionaries, clad in their ‘BLM’ t-shirts, confront beleaguered African American police officers, a vignette repeatedly seen but studiously unnoticed in media coverage, you can’t help but wonder as to whether black lives matter to Black Lives Matter.

    Barr/Trump need another term to restore order.
     
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    The Left's campaign of violence is destroying the rule of law that makes possible a civilization worth having. Their replacement is the rule of the mob.

    Throughout the Obama years, the exorbitant number of black males killed by other black males was ignored; but on the rare occasions when black males were killed by police or non-blacks, the Justice Department routinely mobilized to pressure local authorities to file murder charges, even if unwarranted by the evidence. In the infamous Trayvon Martin case, the result was a patently over-charged murder indictment that resulted in a swift jury acquittal.

    The country is a different cauldron right now. In the mob moment, ubiquitous ‘No Justice, No Peace’ signs may be translated: ‘If there are no murder indictments, and murder convictions, there will be more murders.’ The rule of law is collapsing. Reason is out, passion is in.

    Barr/Trump are all that stand in the way of the Mob, with another turn, they will restore the Rule of Law, and set to work on freeing Blacks from these terrible Democrat hellholes where they are held in squalor, so terrible, that Black Women have three TIMES the infant death rate of the majority of society. In Europe and the Caribbean, the Black Women suffer no more infant mortality than the majority here, or in Europe or the Caribbean, but, should the women move to the US, their daughters will suffer these terrible infant mortality rates, as well as suffer the terrible experience of burying even their sons that reach adulthood.

    There is a great deal we have to do. Trump puts America First. He will pull subsidies going to Rich Germany and Outlaw China in order to redirect that funding to a restoration of our Hell Hole Democrat Cities into gleaming gems that we can all take pride in.

    Trump and Barr need another term to accomplish this great good that is long over due.
     
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    "For nearly four years, the Justice Department has been deformed and corrupted, becoming the unbridled defender of President Trump’s personal interests. Whether misleading the courts on the 2020 Census, giving Trump a free pass on his impeachable conduct regarding Ukraine, or mischaracterizing the Mueller report so as conceal evidence of Trump’s illegal conduct, the agency under Attorney General William P. Barr, along with the White House counsel’s office, have threatened to shred the concept that the president is not above the law and to permanently mar the Justice Department’s reputation.

    On Wednesday, more than 1,250 former Justice Department employees issued a scathing letter to the department’s inspector general, Michael Horowitz, concerning “Attorney General Barr’s possible role in ordering law enforcement personnel to suppress a peaceful domestic protest in Lafayette Square on June 1"

    Regardless of whether Horowitz takes up the issue, the letter serves as an investigative road map for the next administration to review Barr’s conduct and for bar associations to consider whether Justice Department lawyers who participated in these actions adhered to their professional responsibilities."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/11/rule-law-makes-comeback/
     
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    how did he do thst? even mueller said he didn’t
     
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    During the press conference which preceded his release of the Mueller report, Barr mischaracterized what it said about Trump's actions as to possible obstruction with the investigation. Among other things Barr essentially stated that Trump "took no act" which hindered Mueller from completing his investigation. See this: https://www.bustle.com/p/transcript...ence-reveals-mueller-report-findings-17061960 However, in truth, Trump pressured Don McGahn to have Mueller fired but backed off when McGahn threatened to quit: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html How much more obstructive could Trump have been?

    Even Chris Wallace of that noted non-left leaning network FoxNews was highly critical of the Barr press conference as reported here: https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-n...ort-presser-he-acted-as-trumps-defense-lawyer

    As to Mueller, his post-report issuance demeanor was a huge disappointment. A man well regarded for a long career of quality service to our country morphed into a major milquetoast and I'll always wonder whether he simply got too old to stomach the pressure applied upon him.
     
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    mueller said he wasn’t mischaractorized and that his investigation was never hindered.

    trump having a discussion with WH Council...isn’t obstruction. he even let WH Council cooperate completely with mueller
     
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    The key point here is that the only charges, cases completed or still pending, were housekeeping charges. Almost all of them were perjury or actions that took place long before serving in the Trump Campaign. Some of these charges were manufactored out of thin air, were based on the 17 false information, omissions, and altered documents. The person that Papadopoulos met with had first met with Fussion GPS (they were the ones that funneled the money to Steel for his fake dossier). The Mueller investigation was based on the information illegally used to obtain the fake FISA warrants. In the Flynn case, Obama and Biden ordered the investigation to remain open after the initial agents claimed that Flynn had not broken any laws. The Peter Strzok the conducted an interview that was intended to entrap Flynn. That case has been ordered closed by the Appeals court. The investigation never should have been opened, because it was based on flawed information. So, how many charges there are, none of them should have existed.
     

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