Being a dad and grandfather

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    Genesis 9:20-25 "And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: 21And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. 22And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. 23And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. 24And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

    25And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren."


    Would anyone dare bring an accusation to Noah for cursing one of his own sons? And would anyone accuse Noah of not being a good parent? Regardless of the level of 'love' shown to Ham, did Noah accuse Ham's son, Canaan, without cause?

    Would anyone bring an accusation to Noah for cursing his own grandson? And would anyone accuse Noah of not being a good grandparent?
     
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    Unto Adam was given the duty of

    Genesis 3:17-19
    "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

    18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

    19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."


    Genesis 9:20-25
    "And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: 21And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.


    For in sorrow shall ye eat of it, the earth, all the days of thy life. Adam was to cultivate the land for purposes of food cultivating.

    Genesis 9:20-25
    "And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: 21And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

    husbandman:

    582 [e] : ’îš : אִ֣ישׁ : a man
    582. enosh
    another, bloodthirsty, certain, divers, fellow, in the flower of their age
    From 'anash; properly, a mortal (and thus differing from the more dignified 'adam); hence, a man in general (singly or collectively) -- another, X (blood-)thirsty, certain, chap(-man); divers, fellow, X in the flower of their age, husband, (certain, mortal) man, people, person, servant, some (X of them),

    127 [e] : hā-’ă-ḏā-māh; הָֽאֲדָמָ֑ה : of the soil
    127. adamah
    country, earth, ground, husbandman ry, land
    From 'adam; soil (from its general redness) -- country, earth, ground, husband(-man) (-ry), land.

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    Noah continued the duty of being a 'man' even after the Earth was cleansed in The Flood.

    Was it wrong of Noah to chastise his own son and grandson after they went through an ordeal that noone today could probably endure themselves, which was to have been on an ark for 40 days and 40 nights, sealed in, and not knowing a thing that was going on outside of the ark? And after the boat was safe and they accepted that they were safe and seeing that there was no life on the Land, might it be a little possible that they were utterly amazed and aghast at being the only ones alive? And after such an ordeal, for Ham to have taken the whole past incident so lightly might have caused Noah to have gotten pretty perturbed.

    But thanks be to God that we are all here today.

    What might have happened if Noah decided to be as Anthony Perkins in the movie, Psycho?

    Even today, movies such as Psycho, shows that many of us today don't take any past incident(s) seriously. We make light, we have fun, we jest, all the while forgetting what was done for us to all be here today.

    Being 'thrown away', once; twice or maybe three times shows carelessness.

    We even, sometimes, 'throw away' the very ones that bore and raised us.
     
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    Ezekiel 16

    "Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,3And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite. 4And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all. 5None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.

    6And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live. 7I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.

    8Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine. 9Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil. 10I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. 11I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. 12And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. 13Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom. 14And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.

    15But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was. 16And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.17Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them, 18And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them. 19My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour, and oil, and honey, wherewith I fed thee, thou hast even set it before them for a sweet savour: and thus it was, saith the Lord GOD. 20Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter, 21That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them? 22And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood."
     
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    Ezekiel 16

    "And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, (woe, woe unto thee! saith the Lord GOD; ) 24That thou hast also built unto thee an eminent place, and hast made thee an high place in every street. 25Thou hast built thy high place at every head of the way, and hast made thy beauty to be abhorred, and hast opened thy feet to every one that passed by, and multiplied thy whoredoms. 26Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger. 27Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way. 28Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied. 29Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith.

    How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord GOD, seeing thou doest all these things,.."
     
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    The world likes to say that the 'heart' is the love... So is there 'strong love' and 'weak love'? Are there such things?

    But if a person looked at the 'heart' on a scientific level, would the heart be strengthened or weakened with insatiability?

    So is it true of what the doctors say? That 'love making', or sex, is good for you?
     
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    1 Timothy 3:2;8;11,12 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"
    "Likewise must the deacons be grave,... 'even so must their wives be grave', Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife.."

    1 Corinthians 7:9 "But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."


    The necessity of a bishop and/or deacon to have a wife is for the purposes of male urges. And rather than being a single male with male urges with no wife, God desires the bishops and deacons to have a wife for such purposes as well as for purposes of being a 'helper' rather than seeking the 'natural use' of the woman in many different places.


    Romans 1:27 "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another;..."

    Natural: 5446 [e] : physikēn : φυσικὴν : natural

    natural.

    From phusis; "physical", i.e. (by implication) instinctive -- natural. Compare psuchikos.

    5449. phusis
    nature

    From phuo; growth (by germination or expansion), i.e. (by implication) natural production (lineal descent); by extension, a genus or sort; figuratively, native disposition, constitution or usage -- (man-)kind, nature(-al).

    5591. psuchikos
    natural, sensual.

    From psuche; sensitive, i.e. Animate (in distinction on the one hand from pneumatikos, which is the higher or renovated nature; and on the other from phusikos, which is the lower or bestial nature) -- natural, sensual.


    use: 5540. chrésis
    use.

    From chraomai; employment, i.e. (specially), sexual intercourse (as an occupation of the body) -- use.


    female: 2338. thélus
    female, woman.

    From the same as thelazo; female -- female, woman.

    From 'thelazo'... 2337. thélazó
    to suckle, suck.


    Luke 11:27 "And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked."

    2337. thélazó
    From 'thelazo'... 2337. thélazó
    to suckle, suck.


    John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh,.."

    Hebrews 4:15 "...tempted like as we are, yet without sin."


    By whom or what was Jesus Christ tempted? An ex Holy Angel from The Kingdom of Heaven? Or by His Own Heart?


    James 1:14 "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed."


    He was tempted like as we are, but without sin.

    He took upon Himself the fullness of temptations so that He could overcome each.


    John 16:33 "...that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."
     
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    And so there is 'sin' and there is law and there is the book of the Law. There are some that are under the law, obedient to the law, yet still under the due penalties of the book of the Law.

    And then there is 'sin' and there is law and there is the book of the Law and there is a lack of safety, lack of parental guidance, the 'throwing aways', the bullied... The victims. Although Christ overcame being a 'victim', when does the overall lack of safety, the overall lack of parental guidance, the overall abundance of 'throwing away', the overall abundance of the bullied and the overall abundance of the victims, cease or decrease or diminish?

    Although God created all things to be enjoyed freely, we are now taxed to enjoy. God didn't create foods to be 'taxed' but it has become so. God didn't create his rocks to be used for nuclear energy but it has become so. God didn't create the Seas to be drilled for oil for, but it has become so. God didn't create mankind to be 'thrown away' but they are being done so, some once, some twice, some more.

    Hebrews 9:27 "...it is appointed unto men once to die,..."

    die: 599. apothnéskó : be dead, death, die, lie dying, be slain.

    From apo and thnesko; to die off (literally or figuratively) -- be dead, death, die, lie a-dying, be slain (X with).


    Romans 6:5-11

    "5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7For he that is dead is freed from sin.

    8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."


    reckon:
    3049. logizomai
    to account, reckon
    Middle voice from logos; to take an inventory, i.e. Estimate (literally or figuratively) -- conclude, (ac-)count (of), + despise, esteem, impute, lay, number, reason, reckon, suppose, think (on).


    Why should a person return back into that which he/she came out of to lose all the rewards they had stored up for themselves?
     
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    Revelation 22:12 "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."

    to give to EVERY man... a reward:


    3408. misthos: reward, wages.

    Apparently a primary word; pay for service (literally or figuratively), good or bad -- hire, reward, wages.

    rewards or payments for service are not punishments for not serving. They are 'rewards' for the service. Some may have had many 'services'. Others might not have had many.


    Matthew 6:20 "But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:"


    Since Christ has already 'purchased' all of mankind, all of mankind are already in 'service'. So when does the lack of safety, the abundance of victims, stop or decrease or diminish?
     
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    LORD, please, I ask Thee, put an end or stop or diminish or decrease all those things in Thy World on Thy Earth that opposes Your Love. I ask Thee in The Name of Thy Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ, Amen.
     
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    For the philosophers in the world who may say, 'But it is the Love of God which allows me and all free will to do as desired', I would have to respond, 'The LORD knows what I and The Holy Spirit agree upon'.

    Joshua 1:9 "...for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest."


    HE is with me and you, whithersoever we may go.

    whithersoever: 3605. kol
    in all manner, ye, altogether, any manner, enough, every one, place, thing,

    Or (Jer. 33:8 ) kowl {kole}; from kalal; properly, the whole; hence, all, any or every (in the singular only, but often in a plural sense) -- (in) all (manner, (ye)), altogether, any (manner), enough, every (one, place, thing), howsoever, as many as, (no-)thing, ought, whatsoever, (the) whole, whoso(-ever).
     
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    I've asked many persons if God loves me. Most of them replied with, 'God loves Everyone'.
     
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