Believer or not, your epitome of desire, is to be named the Greatest I am.

It is a question very rarely addressed or debated by monotheist theologians. Why would a God necessarily have to be “good”? Unless of course you define “good” as being God’s will, which is nothing but obedience, not morality.

 

Going by the Bible, Jehova is more Loki than Christian God.

 

My regards to Vishnu. The Father's name is Elohim. The Son's name is Jesus Christ (formally Jehovah). The Spirit's name is The Holy Ghost.
As a baby, I was completely innocent up to the age of accountability of 8 years old. Speaking on things you don't know again. We knew of all the covenants, laws and commandments for which we were going to live on earth in. And, by faith, live those laws and commandments for our own benefit. Not sure why you can't comprehend that humans need punishments for lawbreaking. But, it's the sickness of today's liberals. The Plan of Salvation requires living the commandments and repenting of the ones we break to enter into the Kingdom of God. Instead, so many people just want to deny their sins so they can save face from other humans. Prideful is the word that describes this. Like, the Gay Pride Parade. Not a good pride but a bad one that damns eternal progression.

 

You believe you knew all of this before you were born? So had you been born to Hindu or Muslim or Buddhist parents, you would still have known better, and that your covenant was with God and Jesus?

That depends entirely on the law. For example, had you been born in Tehran and to Muslim parents, and had you known you were Christian before you were born and challenged Islam in favour of Christianity, you'd be breaking a law. But its a law you didn't sign on for, don't recognize the authority of, etc, right? Same goes for non-Christians and the "Commandments" you say your God has for us.

 

Thanks for your honesty. I've pretty much parsed my reasoning to the base. And am not given to impulse or confusing an impulse with Gods will or voice or anything like that. If anything, since my personal inspiration that God lives, I am even less likely to act on impulse. And I don't receive secret messages or anything like that. The whole matter actually makes me feel more accountable for my actions, decisions and choices in life along with whatever sentiments I might harbor in my heart.

 

You aren't grasping the concepts here. We all knew where we were going before leaving. Some of our friends were going to Latter-day Saints homes and others weren't. But, we were loyal to Father in Heaven and his Son. So, we stayed with the 2/3 of the hosts of heaven who supported the Plan of Salvation while the 1/3 that didn't were banished with Lucifer never to get back to Heaven. So, we did know and we still made the covenants with the Lord.
For those who were born during long periods of apostacy as well in the days of Noah, our goal is to follow our good conscience which is also known as the Light of Christ. Most of the Muslim people are good people who love their families and adhere to the laws they are living under. By still recognizing good and evil through our conscience or the Light of Christ, God will judge us accordingly as if we were born under the Covenant whether in the times of the Abrahamic or Moses Covenants or in the times of Jesus Christ and the New and Everlasting Covenants. In our day, the New and Everlasting Covenant of Marriage for Eternity. If we don't have the opportunity to be around or hear about the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, we will in the Spirit Prison after we pass on as missionaries will preach and teach there as well. The ordinances will eventually be performed for those who didn't have the opportunity for those essential rituals by proxy in vicarious work for the dead. Those who would have heard the Gospel and accepted will do so then and receive all the blessings afforded them in our Father's Kingdom. So, your worries are pointless.

 

My worries aren't pointless, because I have no particular worries in regard to this.

I am merely learning of your viewpoint. It is quite different from those of other theists I've heard, and of course very different from my own atheistic viewpoint.

 

That's because the many sects are based on varying peoples opinions of the truth. It is presumption imo. As you are well aware, an atheist may live a great portion of the Jesus teachings via their inner conscience without all the pontification or presuming to say, here is the way to God. Then again, whose to say that his teachings over the thousands of years haven't disseminated to the four corners among nations, tribes, families and individuals, out of context like scattered gems from broken jewelry. And in hearing and practice around us, our consciences take them up and keep them as part of ourselves. Can we then say that we don't need God when he is already our better part without our even knowing?

 

No that never occurred to me. But my Wife often refers to human kind as fire monkeys while lamenting our negative effects on nature. I think I first heard of the theory in High School. It didn't mesh with Parents, family, girls, hunting, fishing, baseball, careers or anything. I think we build ourselves from the values we gather to our consciences and hearts from others. And I think those values in large part were first disseminated from the teachings of Jesus Christ and others thousands of years ago, separated from their origins over time. We make the concepts, as we gather them in pieces, part of ourselves and become them, or they we. The question then is, do we fight and tug against God. Or do we leap into his net and say, I have dwelled long in the depths and all therein is given me. But it is better to serve and my enormity divided. What took you so long to catch me? Point being, to fight against God is in a sense to fight against ourselves. Why the consternation of his nearness. Are we so different to be so far apart. Is it the fear of the call to excellence, shaving us away from life to labor in yonder fields, separate from our leisure repose and bliss. Or is it the fear of our separation from the ties that bind us to evil, that all encompassing and compelling darkness holding the world in its grips. God abides it all. He gives us the great light of the live long day, the lesser lights of the long night, the seasons. He gives families, conversations with loved ones, food, fire, necessities, and various comforts, harbors in storms. He closes his eyes to our shortcomings all the while, and all the while stretches his arm out to us as if we held some value or purpose to him. Even our wickedness he abides to great lengths. Who does that? What character sets us to sojourn in probation on this orb and solar system in an endless space, and sacrifices himself on the alter for our salvation. Yes, much is wrong in the earth. Much is wrong with all of us. Some lay it all on fate. I think it a thing of purpose. We have free choice which is not an evolving concept. Neither are our spirits cast about like fallen leaves by the wind.

 

Or you could study a little anthropology and see how silly the idea of such ideas coming from Jesus is, or indeed from any one person - especially one who probably never existed outside of sermons and writings.

 

A similarly silly concept of there being one God from whom we all spring, birthed this nation, our liberty, our rights in liberty, and our equality. George Washington accredited God for the Revolutionary War victory, our government and all the blessings in life, as did Abraham Lincoln.

 

You are correct that our understanding of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is different in many aspects. There are some main differences that I think are a game changer even for atheists:
1. We have always existed in one form or another and have evolved through a Plan set up and organized by the Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Ghost).
A. Intelligences
B. Spirit Children with our intelligences
C. Physical Bodies with our Spirit bodies (including our intelligences)
1. We live with a veil place over our minds so we have to live by faith to learn about the Plan of Salvation.
2. We do our best with the light of Christ (conscience)
3. If we come in contact with the true and fullness of the Gospel at the time we live in (OT, NT, Current), we have to be willing to receive by faith and testimony
through the influence of the Holy Ghost.
4. As our testimonies grow, we then learn and accept the principals of the Gospel, Faith, Repentance, Baptism and receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost.
2. We believe that the Gospel and Church have been restored in it's fullness.
A. We have again Prophets and Apostles on the earth today who receive messages and knowledge for the whole human race. (not just the Bible guides us)
B. We have The Book of Mormon, The Bible, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price along with current guidance of our Prophet, Seer and Revelators.
C. Same basic Church organization as in OT and NT times as Jehovah (Jesus Christ) organized His Church.
D. Same Priesthood has been restored
1. Mechizedek (inward and higher ordinances like Gift of the Holy Ghost)
2. Aaronic (Levitical - outward ordinance like Baptism)
3. Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood (Elijah bringing back the sealing power of husbands and wives with their children. The promises made to the Father by their
children not to forget them and to seal them with them - Malachi 4:5-6. The purpose of our Temples)
4. With the Apostles, there is an Apostolic Order in the Melchizedek Priesthood.
3. With the Melchizedek Priesthood, we have the authority to confer people members of Christ's Church and give the Gift of the Holy Ghost.
4. The basic offices of the Priesthood as well, like Prophets, Apostles, Evangelists (The 70's), Bishops, Priests, Teachers, Deacons...

The Bible is the Blueprint of the The Church of Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ as prophesied in Ezekiel as the stick (book) of Joseph through Ephraim. Together, they are one in thine hand. So, yes, we are quite different from all other Christian Churches. We actually look like the original Church in Christ's day.

 

My father who was Jewish didn't believe in a literal God. He believed God meant "Good." That goodness was the key to religion. How we behave as an orderly society. I wouldn't call what we have today orderly in anyway. God is a God of order and of prayer. We get now is disorderly conduct and anger. We can't even tell our kids what a boy and girl are without being hated.
God has to be good because it's his universe and he sets the standards to which we are to live by. If we do, that's good. If we don't, that's evil. Simple as that.

 

Whew! Nice outline.

 

Pretty sure my first thought was “What the f—k? But without words, since I didn’t know them yet. Thought about “I am” probably after finding out about Descartes. And Me as a God likely during a narcissistic phase.

These are things we are taught, not born with. We are born with curiosity, and imagination. We need other people to teach us nonsense.

 

Nonsense is acceptable.

It is the flat out religious liars and their lies that irk.

Especially against women and gays.

Regards
DL

 

Intelligent people can explain what and why they believe, they do not hide behind the supernatural lies they spew.

Faith without facts is for fools who do not want to know the ntruth.

They might have to wonder why they adore a genocidal Yahweh and his St., St. Hitler.

Regards
DL

 

I love how the intolerant bigots seem so bothered by the beliefs of others.
Live and let live, has lost all meaning.

 

Yes. As it should be when compared to doing unto others.

You want us to live and let live because you like Christian intolerance, homophobia and misogyny, and you do not like that moral people will not tolerate religious hate.

Live and let live, an immoral tenet, that would have you ignore so such harm.

Insert gays and women harmed by homophobic and misogynous religions to this quote. You should get an idea of what you should be doing with the homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions if you live by the golden rule.

Please get back to me with your conclusion.

Martin Niemöller
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Regards
DL

 

Like begets like.
Best regards....

 

Yes. The evil beget the evil to keep religious numbers, and especially the revenues stable.

It is not working as modernisation is finally killing those immoral religions.

Regards
DL

 

"I hate religion, therefore I will preach hate against it"
^ This will show them...

 

Who are you quoting?

The religious up till just recently said they hated gays and instead of just preaching against them, they murdered them via legislation.

Take your hate filled religion and shove it.

You have already shown how you run from doing apologetics for it.

Regards
DL

 

So much hate, maybe you should find religion.

 

Here are your religious folks and a gay man....But remember, 'diversity is our strength'!