Berlin denies "Reagan" Statue to erected on its soil...US have to park it on their embassy

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  1. Dayton3

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    Even sadder that more than a few Americans are. I get so annoyed when I hear some Americans blame President Reagan for the spread of AIDS.
     
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    Nothing to do with Reagan. Since USA is hostile towards us, there is zero support for such a thing. Even more so that Reagan has zero connection to Germany.

    Our nations simply dont have the functional relations anymore to make that popular
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Definitely we have Democrats here that completely loathe Ronald Reagan. I tend to think those are what we call AntiFa types.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I plan to read some of your newspapers to find out a lot more.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks, Robert, and I enjoyed looking at the pictures you posted here:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-of-the-fall-of-the-berlin-wall.564067/page-4

    Not exactly a place I would want to be at that point in time. In fact, my wife was in West Germany when the Berlin Wall fell and it wasn't a place she wanted to be, either. Given the fact that East German border troops were still shooting people trying to escape to the West I can understand her apprehension.
     
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    Nice - I'd like to go there myself but since I live on the other side of the country I decided to help preserve another part of Reagan's legacy and the programs the YAF runs for young Americans out of his ranch:

    https://reaganranch.yaf.org/

    Money well spent. It's important to me that younger generations learn about the man and what he believed in.
     
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    "Progressives" have always hated Reagan with a passion and always will. Not only did he commit the unforgivable sin of taking down their fellow travelers in the USSR, he understood and exposed the moral dimensions of the fight against socialism/communism in the clearest terms. To him it wasn't just a competition between two economic systems - free enterprise/capitalism vs. socialism/communism - it was the latest chapter in the never ending struggle for individual freedom.
     
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    We have a 10x10 section of the Berlin Wall in Eureka Springs, Arkansas. Closest one to me.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The closest section to me is at the Virginia War Museum in Newport News:

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    The closest one is on my book shelf.
     
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    I would say it has more to do with the current President, not with the US.
    If it were really so bad, you would have hardly any Germans come to the US as tourists.
     
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    And he was able to show the Western-Allies that West Germany was able and should govern itself. His government install a sense of Nation into the West Germans. His trip to Moscow in 1955, was the first demonstration, that West Germany was a Nation.
     
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    He was one of them, the Free World has many leaders. Kohl was probably one the most powerful of his time and very much the leader of Europe. His leadership and its importants was shown during his funeral.
     
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    No you do not get it the Germans and the nazi got bet and surrendered. They did not have two like it, they were occupied. Even if he got the German people to be ok with occupation so what. Once again what did he do for the United States that would justify a statute. That is what this thread is about.
     
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    By no means, Adenauer was everything but a yes man. He was more often a thorn in W Allies eyes. He had to fight for every little bit against the W Allies to make West Germany a country and a Nation. He understood that West Germany's prosperity and freedom depended on West Germany being closely attached with the Western Allies.
     
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    Why should Adenauer have a statue in the US ?

    There is no reason for it. He never did any ting for the US, he fought has hard as possible, with great success, for his own country.
     
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    Trump is not anti German. My lord. Stop telling Germans posting here that. lmao
     
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    Good for the US.
     
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    Trump has a problem with Germany, its industry, its political leaders, its policies. You name it and he has a problem with it.
    Trump has soured the relation ship with Germany and done some serious damage.
    From day one.
     
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    He was Chancellor when I arrived in Germany. At the time, America had a massive military protecting Germany.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What problem does Trump have with Germany? Asking a NATO ally to keep its military functioning is too much for germans to handle?
     
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    I am a child of that time. The US did not have a military in Germany to protect it, but to counter the Soviets in Europe.
    Remember I am rather appreciative for what the USA has done for West Germany, but I am realistic, too. It was not a one way road, by any means.
     
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    Its not just about NATO, and the NATO agreement is by 2024.
    Its about all the rest. There is something with Trump, he kisses every dictator or want to be dictators ass, but creates problems or rips the US best allies.
    Whats wrong with that guy.
    In love with Kim ?
     
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    Seems to me like he should have a place, but it isn't like it is owed to us or anything. If that's what they decide, that's what they decide. He still has a place in the history.
     

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