Berlin denies "Reagan" Statue to erected on its soil...US have to park it on their embassy

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, we were there to protect Germany. We even had the atomic cannon to use on the Soviets. Sure we were there to fight the Soviets if they invaded.

    Below is the actual Atomic cannon we had in Germany, along with more of them.

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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For those in the East, i have some suggestions there too.
    1. When at Niagara Falls, cross the river and see part of Canada.
    2. Same place, but visit Ft. Niagara park.
    3. Gettysburg in PA, next to Gettysburg and very close to Harrisburg VA.
    4. Ikes home close to Gettysburg.
    5. Where Washington crossed the Delaware close to Philadelphia along with the old part of that city where the Liberty Bell is.
    6. West Point Military Academy and include the Museum by the gate.
    7. Naval Academy at Annapolis and downtown Annapolis which is old.
    8. Various war battlegrounds in Va and include by Charlestown the home of Jefferson.
    9. Cape Canaveral in Florida and there museum as well.

    Gosh, there is a lot more.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have adequately answered this question already. If it went over your head there's little I can do for you.
     
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    Not true. He worked hard to cooperate with the U.S. at a time when Americans were not popular in Germany as occupiers.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My closet is in my memory. I lived in Nollendorfplatz and worked in Gatow, and I went often to the other side during the Cold War.
     
  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We dropped tens of thousands of tons of bombs on Germans. Why would they like us? Adenauer was removed as mayor of Cologne by the Brits shortly after he was restored as mayor there. Then he later won the job of Chancellor. But he was popular with some of the Germans but not others. The Nazis removed him as mayor when they ran the show. He was bounced around like a ping pong ball.
     
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    Robert were we protecting Germany, or were we using Germany to combat the Soviet Union? What we did do for Germany was the Marshall plan, or Europe would still be in the stone age. By building up Germany, we pulled Europe from the ashes as well.
     
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    Is this a rhetorical question or do you want me to respond?
    Why do you skip over the part where he worked to improve relations with all of the occupational forces? Why do you think I mentioned Adenauer in the first place? I think the point went over your head.
     
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    Funny how the term 'Free World' is being used for countries under Washington's control, when the real 'Free World' today are the countries that are not under Washington's control.





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    when what goes 'up' will be the 'down'.
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    and 'dark' will reign instead of 'light'.
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    Why a statue?

    Why not Ronald Reagan's cadaver?
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is the best observation I've ever seen! I am going to remember that and use it myself the next chance I get. You can almost say that being out of the clutches of the U.S. is the definition of "freedom". :nod:
     
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    Embalmed like Lennin or rotting like Richard Nixon?
     
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    The U.S. boasts of all its' might
    Upon this earth a filthy blight
    Intimidating mouths of shyt
    Against which each free world must fight.
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  14. Robert

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    Frankly from the looks of our zillion bases at the time and our mass amount of weapons, it looked to me like it was mostly us defending the Fulda Gap area of Germany. We were not actually fighting with the Soviets but were very well prepared in the case of a major invasion. We saw our troops all over. I hardly saw any West German troops. Marshall plan as I understand it was to rebuild mostly civilian resources to get their economy going. Exactly, we broke it so we fixed it. We had our entire 7th Army there as well as other major forces. Had the Soviets invaded using the Fulda Gap, they would have hit us with masses into the many hundreds of thousands of troops. I believe at the time they had over 10,000 tanks to send into that area.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Give us the names of the countries we control????
     
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    For a time, I lived next to Lake Wannsee and rented a car to get to the Kudam section of Berlin as well as to Templehof section by the Airport.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wish there was an unlike to show my disgust of how you tried to press me for compliments. You were bragging enough for the two of us.
     
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    During the same time? I went to Wannsee one Sunday and I was surprised to see FKK'ers there.
    I have no idea what you mean. I am talking about Konrad Adenauer's attributes in favour of the U.S. but you want to talk about something else and pretend it is relevant.
     
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    Like it or not. Same thing. Combating the Soviet Union was as much in the interests of Germany (perhaps more so) than it was in ours.
     
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    This is not really true. The Soviet Union never made any attempt at invading Germany but the U.S. consistently tried to intimidate Warsaw Pact Nations and used its U.S. military bases in Europe to imply an invasion upon the Soviet Union ..... and against its' satellite members. So, simple logic shows you that U.S. forces in Germany (and everywhere else) has never been applied in a defensive or protective mode at all. The U.S. employs (even to this very day) strict, offensive intimidation upon the rest of the world whether they be "friendly" nations or otherwise. The bottom line is that the U.S. isn't "protecting" anyone. It is playing an insatiable game of Imperialisic checkers.
     
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    Completely false. The Soviet forces in Eastern Europe were lavishly equipped with bridging equipment. American forces in Western Europe had virtually no bridging equipment.

    Why? Bridging equipment is a tool of an INVADING force because logically the defending force will destroy bridges on their territory as they retreat in order to slow an invader.
     
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    I've been to virtually all of those places and right off the top of my head I would add these to the list (bring your walking shoes):

    1) Yorktown Battlefield (my personal favorite), Jamestown Settlement/Colony and Colonial Williamsburg - all three of these sites are a short drive from one another.

    If you're traveling to any or all of these three places from the north or south on I-95 and you have the time, do yourself a favor and get off at Route 5 in Richmond and take it and the Colonial Parkway to Yorktown/Jamestown/.Williamsburg. It's one of the most beautiful drives in Virginia. The Blue Ridge Parkway and Skyline Drive, which run along the crest of the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia, are the only roads that surpass the Colonial Parkway, in my opinion (I know several others but they're off the beaten track).

    2) Harpers Ferry, West Virginia (one of the most scenic and historic sites on the East Coast)
    https://www.nps.gov/hafe/index.htm

    3) Washington DC, most particularly the National Archives, where the original copies of the Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights are on display, along a 1297 copy of the Magna Carta. While in DC be sure to visit the monuments on the National Mall.
     
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    It's really a distinction without a difference. Part of countering in the Soviets in Europe involved defending West Germany. We were there to do both.

    Your appreciation is appreciated and I agree with you - the American men and women who served throughout Europe weren't there just to serve our allies' interests. As is the case with most alliances, our mutual defense served our mutual and individual interests.
     
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    Wow. Our field artillery came a long way in 25 years

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    West Germany was not allowed to have a military till 1955. When Robert was in W Germany, its military was in the rebuilding phase. It was not just the US who had military forces in W Germany. All the W Allies had an interest, it was about the defense of Western Europe, with West Germany as the potential battle field.
    In case of war, very little would have been left of West Germany and East Germany. Total destruction, making WWII looking like childs play.
     
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