Bernie Sanders attacks Christian nominee of Trump

Senator Bernie Sanders has come under fire for his harsh treatment of President Donald Trump’s nominee for deputy director of the White House Office of Management and Budget in a heated discussion of religion.

Russell Vought went before the Senate Budget Committee in a hearing to approve him for the position. Sanders, a committee member, sharply condemned Vought’s post in the conservative blog “The Resurgent” dated January 2016.

Sanders, 75, a former contender for the Democratic presidential nomination and a leading progressive voice, opened his questioning of Vought by stating his negative opinion of the blog post that the nominee penned, saying it is “indefensible it is hateful, it is Islamophobic, and it is an insult to over a billion Muslims throughout the world.”



Source: http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-1.794687

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Bernie hit that moron with strong words, put him in place as he deserved. Bigots must be kicked out of any platform politics is discussed, including this forum. Because their narrow minded sh.t vision is the main reason humanity has been suffering from sh.t loads of stuff on a scale of "depopulating sectarian measures" to "religiously motivated terrorism", all bigots, including christian bigots of this forum, must be eliminated for good.

Bigotry is not something we should tolerate in diplomacy despite the western diplomats have long been using bigotry as a weapon upon the east.

Part of Bernie's attack in text:

Sanders: Let me get to this issue that has bothered me and bothered many other people. And that is in the piece that I referred to that you wrote for the publication called Resurgent. You wrote, “Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology. They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ, His Son, and they stand condemned.” Do you believe that that statement is Islamophobic?

Vought: Absolutely not, Senator. I’m a Christian, and I believe in a Christian set of principles based on my faith. That post, as I stated in the questionnaire to this committee, was to defend my alma mater, Wheaton College, a Christian school that has a statement of faith that includes the centrality of Jesus Christ for salvation, and…

Sanders: I apologize. Forgive me, we just don’t have a lot of time. Do you believe people in the Muslim religion stand condemned? Is that your view?

Vought: Again, Senator, I’m a Christian, and I wrote that piece in accordance with the statement of faith at Wheaton College.

Sanders: I understand that. I don’t know how many Muslims there are in America. Maybe a couple million. Are you suggesting that all those people stand condemned? What about Jews? Do they stand condemned too?

Vought: Senator, I’m a Christian …

Sanders (shouting): I understand you are a Christian, but this country are made of people who are not just — I understand that Christianity is the majority religion, but there are other people of different religions in this country and around the world. In your judgment, do you think that people who are not Christians are going to be condemned?

Vought: Thank you for probing on that question. As a Christian, I believe that all individuals are made in the image of God and are worthy of dignity and respect regardless of their religious beliefs. I believe that as a Christian that’s how I should treat all individuals…

Sanders: You think your statement that you put into that publication, they do not know God because they rejected Jesus Christ, His Son, and they stand condemned, do you think that’s respectful of other religions?

Vought: Senator, I wrote a post based on being a Christian and attending a Christian school that has a statement of faith that speaks clearly in regard to the centrality of Jesus Christ in salvation.

Sanders: I would simply say, Mr. Chairman, that this nominee is really not someone who this country is supposed to be about.


Source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/...-werent-just-arrogant-they-were-unconstitutio

 

Muslims don't believe the Almighty God would have cared to have a HUMAN SON. That's all. But this Vought says since Muslims this way, they stand condemned. What a stupid bigot...

 

My first question is, if The Bern doesn't believe in condemnation, heaven, or hell, what difference does it make to him? My second question, is he aware of the fact that his own religion has the same view? So, he is either a Jew that is grossly ignorant of his own religion, or he is an Atheist that wants to monitor who is going to heaven and hell.

Either way, he is in direct violation of the Bill of Rights. There can be no religious test to hold high office.

I think censure should be considered, if he refuses to recuse himself from future confirmation hearings.

 

I personnaly believe that religion don't have place on political debate.

 

So, you are upset that Sanders is interjecting it?

 

The notion that the path to salvation is only obtained by adherence to their own doctrine, is shared nearly universally by all religions. Sanders shows his ignorance and intolerance in this exchange, and he should be removed from the committee for gross violation of article six of the constitution.

 

I'm not american, so it's none of my business but yes, I think that Sanders shouldn't had interrogated this man on his faith. On the other part, I don't think Vought should speak of his faith while having this function.

 

Vought wasn't speaking about his faith in this way. He is being grilled for previously speaking at a Christian school. He was speaking to an audience of Christians, and Sanders wants to condemn him for having core Christian values.

How Sanders was ever a viable candidate is beyond me. He is factually a moron, regardless of what you think about his politics.

 

What are you suggesting, tough guy?

 

This is why I think it's more healthy to strictly separate religion and politics.
Because of the problem with islam, it's doesn't seems to, but I think that it was and it's still rather one of biggest force. It's rather strict because for instance a woman who used a bible in the parliamant years ago was sanctionned for that however, it's a rather good basis for puting limits to muslims and radical christians.

 

But this ISN'T a mixture of religion and politics. Sanders is using this man's practice of a main stream religion, in a non official way, off the clock, to make the case he is not fit for office. This is a direct violation of Article 6 of the Constitution.

Article Six of the United States Constitution establishes the laws and treaties of the United States made in accordance with it as the supreme law of the land, forbids a religious test as a requirement for holding a governmental position and holds the United States under the Constitution responsible for debts incurred ...

One would hope that a US senator would have basic knowledge of the constitution, given his job is to create laws that comply with it.

 

The behaviour of Sanders is a mixture of that.

I rather like him, but I can't support him on that.

 

Oh, I see. I thought you meant the other guy. Yeah, Sanders brought all this up. I'm sort of amazed he has not yet publicly apologized for his intolerance of main stream religious views. I guess he can say whatever he wants up there in Vermontistan though. His voters think he can do no wrong.

 

He is no god but just a man, full of flaws. Their is no fooler than the one who except salvation from a man else than yourself.

 

You do realize this type of rhetoric helps cause the issues we have today, right?

 

Vought is going beyond regular Christian doctrine and adding the condemnation of Muslims himself for no good reason I can see in a speech to a College, except perhaps its actual purpose, which was to support the firing of a woman for expressing solidarity with Muslims. Vought is a vicious Islamophobe who was supporting religious discrimination in his speech, he should be in no office of high trust in the US government. Hell, I would support someone for dogcatcher who had those views.

 

I think the pointy man is just jealous of the fact that my arguments tend to actually be coherent and to the point. Thus when I look you straight in the eye and point, you can plainly see what not struggling to make a bunch of stupid accusations up from whole cloth looks like.

 

Goody they are not allowed to hold people's religious convictions against anyone. In theory that obviously is a very good strategy. The problem seems to be the situation in the States today. I am wondering if this man is of the Christain right because he does not sound like a very nice person. This seems to be what upset Sanders.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...nders-chris-van-hollen-russell-vought/529614/

Most people seem to agree that technically Sanders was wrong. However particularly given the situation of Muslims in the US with Trump in power and that Sanders being a Jew will be well aware of what it is like to be a minority suffering prejudice, I think his opinion is right even if he apparently got Christian scripture wrong. Vought supported the first ever black female professor at apparently the country's most prominent Evangelical College losing her job simply because she expressed solidarity with Muslims.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/...jab-in-solidarity-then-lost-her-job.html?_r=0

Hence although Vought legally is covered by US law for his somewhat extreme religious views "Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology. They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ his Son, and they stand condemned." which is the quote that Sanders used, the real reason why the man is not a good candidate is not his religion but his prejudice against Muslims finding it acceptable to fire someone simply for wanting to show her support for them - which in the current situation I would think would be a very Christian thing to do. Sanders correctly noticed that. Quite an irony a law which is there to keep bigotry out, is going to be what lets it in.

 

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You could not be more ignorant on the topic. Nearly every religion, including Christianity, see itself as the only way to salvation.

 

Sander's OWN Jewish faith has a similar mindset. He is completely ignorant of core religious beliefs, and he misses the point. The point is, people from one religion don't really care what those from another religion think, since they see their own religion as superior.

Also, the only problem with Muslims, in the US, is that they are attacking people. They are factually not discriminated against by our governments, at any level.

Again, this is a completely main stream view, to view one's own religion as the path to salvation. Nearly every religion has thinking like this.

It's not bigotry to think differently about the after life than other religions do. That is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Since people don't believe in the other religion, what does it matter what they think? I'll bet you take NO issue with the concept of Muslims being awarded 72 virgins or whatever. I'll bet you take no issue with main stream Muslim doctrine that all who follow Christ, are condemned.

Did you stretch before you engaged in these mental gymnastics to defend the illegal bigotry of Sanders?

 

Bernie not only incites shooters but now he trying to apply an unconstitutional test to nominees. Very sad what Bernie has turned out to be. The best thing about Sanders was his dedicated passionate young followers.

 

Thanks for that NYT link, alexa. Much needed background context revealed. But I don't follow a few of your remarks:

If so, that's simply textbook appeal to popularity. A basic logical fallacy. However, you didn't back up the assertion with anything in the first place. I believe it's just such abuses of the power of suggestion that rots people's brains.

I'd say particularly having just spent two years as the ranking minority member on the Senate Budget Committee, being the longest serving independent member of Congress in our nation's history, and currently being the most popular politician here by far... but whatever... where the heck did you get this idea that he "got Christian scripture wrong"?

Bingo. Sanders was asking the man if he was prejudiced against Muslims. And the guy never answered the question. That's why he raised his voice. No other reason than the guy repeatedly refusing to answer a simple, extremely relevant and important, yes or no question. To presume anything else is to reveal either profound ignorance of how straightforward and honest Sanders has always been or prejudice against anything Sanders says for political purposes. To refuse to honestly answer simple, relevant questions from senior Senators when sworn in at your own confirmation hearing should be reason enough to be rejected.

That would be, but I doubt it was make or break in our current state of stupidity. Holy crap, Trump is President?

 

But, it's factually Sanders who is the bigot, for thinking main stream Christian beliefs, that are actually shared by nearly every religion, constitute prejudice. Every religion thinks the followers of other religions are going to hell, or something along those lines. Bernie may have mistakenly misconstrued this as prejudice, but it's actually him who is seeking to apply a religious test to hold office, in direct conflict with Article 6 of the Constitution. The only way what Bernie asked makes sense, if you presume that, via this man's government duties, he will be deciding who goes to heaven. Aside from that, it's outrageous to say no Christian can hold office, for having main stream views that are nearly identical across all religions. He should step down from this committee, if he doesn't understand basic constitutional requirements of his position on the committee.

 

Nonsense. He didn't ask him about Christians. He didn't ask him about going to hell or any other such straw you're determined to shove into his mouth so that you can then "condemn" him for it. Notice how that word obviously means something in a purely secular sense. One you no doubt understood perfectly well to begin with.