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  1. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    funny how you came on here IMMEDIATELY after this post.:roll:


    thanks for proving like all magic bullet theorists always do in their debates,you only see what you WANT to see ignoring what I said about photography experts from around the world have concluded that. what EXPERTS say always means nothing to magic bullet theorists though.:weed::roll:

    oh and i guess all these medical experts and others who saw first hand what the back of his head looked like were all lying or mistaken right? give it up.:roll: dont you guys ever get tired of being taken to school everyday on this?:roflol:

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  2. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Once again it is you and people like you who are the magic bullet theorists. You believe in magic bullets.

    The medical experts you refer to saw no evidence supporting a conspiracy
     
  3. LogicallyYours

    LogicallyYours New Member

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    So, the fact that the "magic bullet" shot has been reconstructed (most notably by the Discovery Channel) is completely dismissed by you? Why, are they "in on it" too?
     
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    magic bullet??? HAHAHAHA.... aired in prime time

    [video=youtube;PfSXkfV_mhA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfSXkfV_mhA[/video]

    ballistic experts all agree the head shot came from the rear.

    so sorry deamers
     
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    Hannibal New Member

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    Untrue. No such conclusion exists.
     
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    leftysergeant New Member

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    Got proof?

    C. sativa is not recognized as an expert.

    Most of better understand bullet ballistics.
     
  7. rouser

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    Scores of medical witnesses saw the evidence of a large blow-out in the back of K's head indicating a probable shot from the front. Moreover, Gov. C till the day he died insisted he'd been hit by a separate bullet.
     
  8. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    This is why I suggested you read through all the threads. You are repeating what has already been debunked and proven false.

    It was not scores it was a few.

    None of them had more than a casual glance at his body as it lay on a gurney or bed FACE UP. They did not look closely at or examine the wound. None of them were qualified experts at describing wounds and their characteristics. The autospy was performed by experts who did examine it closely and their findings prove the causal claims of the others as simple wrong.

    A massive head wound is NOT typically indicative of an exit wound especially when there is no corresponding entrance wound which in JFKs case would be in the front of his head and no wound was found there.

    Governor connally did not claim any such thing until the day he died. He made such a claim shortly after recovering from surgery and it was just a guess. He had been shot and subjected to extreme trauma and operated on with anethesia. Throughout his later years he admitted he had no idea which of the bullets hit him and this confusion is understandable.

    No evidence exists of a conspiracy.
     
  9. rouser

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    Dr. McCellend examined the head wound close up for 15 minutes. And scores of other medical witnesses confirmed his observations. The autopsy was performed by incompetents who gave ambiguous descriptions of the head wound. As to the dubious photos of K's face -- ever hear of morticians wax?

    As to Gov Connally,:

    "It is not conceivable to me that I could have been hit by the first bullet..."

    \http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/33rd_Issue/vs_sep_connally.html

    and:

    "Beyond any question, and I'll never change my opinion, the first bullet did not hit me. The second bullet did hit me. The third bullet did not hit me."

    Doug Thompson later revealed that in 1982 he asked Connally if he was convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald fired the gun that killed John F. Kennedy. "Absolutely not," Connally said. "I do not, for one second, believe the conclusions of the Warren Commission." Thompson asked why he had not spoken out about this. Connally replied: "Because I love this country and we needed closure at the time. I will never speak out publicly about what I believe."

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  10. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    This is simply all false.

    The autopsy was performed by pathology experts who were ly highly competant and certified and unoike the few withnesses who casually glanced at his head they did an expert autopsy examing the wounds ind etail with no ambiguity.

    It was not 40 witnesses it was a few get your facts straight

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    No evidence of morticians wax and no first hand evidence exists of the claim you ascribe to governor Connally.

    Notice you quote someone who heard him say something, this is known as second hand rumor and meaningless
     
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    Blood spray is recorded coming from the front of his head. You are mistaken or lying.

    He got shot from behind.

    THe ballistics of a 160 grain 6.5 Carcano are not going to so resemble a bullet as they do a boomerang after exiting a body. Look at the photos of the recovered bullet and you will see that it appears no longer than a 30-06 bullet. In unfired condition, it is actually twice as long.
     
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    Expert pathologists? Dr. Humes, the pathologist in charge had never done a gunshot autopsy in his life. No ambiguity? How do you interpret this:
    Referring to the bullet wound in the back of the head, Humes stated:

    "Scientifically sir, it is impossible for it to have been fired from other than behind. Or to have exited from other than behind." WCH, Vol. II, page 360

    http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh2/html/WC_Vol2_0184b.htm
     
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    "... Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him... (IV, H-132-133)

    ... after I heard that shot, I had the time to turn to my right, and to start to my left before I felt anything.

    It is not conceivable to me that I could have been hit by the first bullet..."-- Gov. Connally

    \http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/33rd_Issue/vs_sep_connally.html

    And hearsay is not rumor but valid evidence.
     
  14. Soupnazi

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    This quoe is different from the one I was reffering to which was hearsay.

    And once again it is not valid evidence. He was in shock terrified and confused as were most witnesses. This is why in any such case eyewitness accounts are the least valid of evidence.

    He is simply wrong and the physical evidence proves he is wrong he was not even looking at JFK which means what he is reffering to is what he HEARD making it an ear witness account which is even less reliable.
     
  15. rouser

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    Concerning blood spray -- try this experiment: Fill a balloon with water to the max, then place a needle in mouth and pierce the balloon. Where does the water go????
     
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    new evidence now proves they did it.
     
  17. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Um I do not know where you got that falsehood but it is a falsehood.

    Humes had decades of experience performing such autopsies. Try reading the records and not conspiracy nuts.

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    The head does not resemble a water balloon a balloon has no rigid skull like the head does. Also a needle does not cause the same damage as a bullet traveling at supersonic speeds.

    Your analogy is false.
     
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    Dumb comparison. A bullet accelerated water through the container down-range. Basicly, it becomes a mini-rocket. Anybody who knows a thing about bullets knows this crap. Poking a balloon just releases trapped water, drives it nowhere.

    Your thinking :)roll:) is really quite simplistic.
     
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    Warren Comm. Testimony of Commander James J. Humes

    Mr. SPECTER - What specific experience have you had, if any, with respect to gunshot wounds?
    Commander HUMES - My type of practice, which fortunately has been in peacetime endeavor to a great extent, has been more extensive in the field of natural disease than violence. However, on several occasions in various places where I have been employed, I have had to deal with violent death, accidents, suicides, and so forth. Also I have had training at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, I have completed a course in forensic pathology there as part of my training in the overall field of pathology.

    http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/humes.htm

    In other words, Humes had no experience at all dealing with gunshot wounds.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    " On several occasions in various places where I have been employed, I have had to deal with violent death, accidents, suicides and so forth "

    You own quote proves you wrong he had experience and was qualified.
     
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    But no gunshot wounds. And that was, after all, the question. Humes was an incompetent pencil pusher. Never did a gunshot autopsy yet chosen to do one on the Pres of the United States, victim of the Crime of the Century.. Reminds me or the song in Gilbert and Sullivan's 'HMS Pinafore" sung by Sir Joseph Porter, First Admiral of the Queen's Navy:

    "Now landsmen all whoever you may be, if you want to rise to the top of the tree,
    Stick close to your desks, and never go to sea, and you all may be rulers of the Queen's Navy.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Violent deaths and suicides includes gun shot wounds and the question was not what you claim it was.

    His back ground was clear and extensive in training and experience in such atutopsies which is far superior to anything the emergency room doctors were trained in.

    Emergency room doctors are trained to save lives not to gather or examine evidence. This was Humes job which shows his expertise trumps theirs. Just as the expertise of the Parkland doctors would have trumped his if he were working to save the life of a trauma victim. You are simply wrong on this and proven so even by your own quote which you attempt to spin.

    Humes was not incompetant he was a trained qualified pathologist and your assertionj to the contrary is a proven lie. He had performed gun shot autopsies for years.
     
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    But Mr. Spector's question was specifically about gunshot wounds. No answer to that. Humes was an inexperienced incompetent who totally botched the autopsy, and moreover destroyed his notes twice before finally coming up with something that sort of fit the official script.
     
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    Mr. Spectors question was about experience and was answered.

    Humes answered and noted his experiecne.

    Notthing can be destroyed twice.

    You are wrong and repeating proven lies the autopsy was not botched.
     
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    Was the big hole on the back of the head an entrance or exit, or both?:roflol:
     

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