Biblical Creation vs Evolution- the age of the Earth

So, it is your contention that science supports an age of the earth consistent with one of countless prehistoric creation myths, and not, you know, the actual scientific theories relating to the age of the earth?

 

Its a nice story and interpretation based on your beliefs, but do you have any statistics is what i asked for of declining human populations? how about ww2? further why is the least developed nations grow the fastest?


Australian Aborigines—how long have they been in Australia?
When Europeans came to settle in Australia in 1788, it was estimated that there were perhaps only 300,000 Aboriginal people.The Australian Encyclopædia, 5th Edition, 1988, The Australian Geographic Society, Sydney, 1:230, 1988. There has been a tendency to revise this estimate upwards, possibly driven by the obvious inconsistency of the 300,000 figure with the belief in the antiquity of the Aboriginal population." style="box-sizing: inherit; background-color: transparent; color: rgb(34, 139, 246); border-bottom: none; margin-bottom: 4px; cursor: pointer;">14And yet today we are told that the people have been here for 60,000 years or more. Now there is no way that a mere 300,000 people had exhausted the plenty of this large country so as to account for a long period of very low population growth. If we allow for one-third of the land area as desert, it means that there was only one person for every 18 square kilometres (7 square miles) of habitable land area—hardly overpopulated, even for a subsistence existence.

If 20 people had come to settle some time after the Flood, say 3,500 years ago, it would have needed a population growth of a mere 0.28% per year to produce 300,000 people. Such a minimal rate operating over 60,000 years could produce more people than there are atoms in the Milky Way Galaxy!

 

not sure how you got that. Science refutes evolution in various ways and shows inconsistencies with the belief in an old earth. How could a creation amount be prehistoric if it were written by man? I rather would suggest that god spoke to man and their is only one god and one creation account from him, this can and will be tested on future thread.

 

I look forward to your peer-reviewed science supporting your assertions that one, and only one, god exists, has spoken to prehistoric humans and told them a creation story that is obviously entirely false based on modern scientific research.

 

Must be the education thing again.

 

We don't have statistics about declining populations because we only have statistics for the past 200 years or so and during that time agriculture technology has been expanding at a rapid pace so of source its not going to decrease. Its really hard to survive in the wilderness when people were just hunter gatherers and just because populations are expanding now when people live in nice heated houses and grocery stores doesn't mean it was when they were in some cave somewhere trying to kill some deer with a spear. Have you ever watched man vs. wild? Its really hard to find clean drinking water and even a small injury or illness can easily be fatal. The vast majority of kids died before adulthood and what I find it hard to believe is not that population didn't increase, but that it didn't decrease. For a population to keep increasing in the wilderness every adult must have two children at least who survive to adulthood, mate, and have children of their own. Thats actually really difficult to do in the wilderness.

We can use simple logic here. If there is a limited number of animals in the wild, there is no way that populations will expand forever to 43 digits or something that you said. Eventually food and water is going to become scarce, and disease from high population will start killing more people and its going to stagnate. We have seen this in bacterial and animal populations many times.

As for the aboriginese, hunter societies need several square miles per capita so they were already packed with only 7 square miles per person. What probably happened if there was a global flood was that the population boomed at first and grew a lot more than .28%. It was probably doubling every 50 years for a while. But then when they reached 7 square miles per person it began to stagnate when resources became more limited.

 

Impossible. The OP thinks humans restarted only 4500 yrs ago. Despite civilizations all over the world more than 10,000 yrs ago.

 

I still can't figure out where the water from the flood went. If the water was all the way to Mr. Everest, then why did it drain away and where did it go?

 

Fell off the edges of the flat earth. Duh.

 

Why don't you post your source link?

 

The Euphrates River Basin is pretty flat.. No mountains.

 

Well that makes more sense than the theory that there a layer of floating water in the air that came down during the flood.

 

I think an Iraq flood is a lot more plausible than a global one.

 

20 people? It would have been a dead end.. The issue of the Aborigines has been studied at length. They traveled HUGE distances to find mates. There's a documentary series on the matter.

 

Yeah.. There is a flood that is documented in 2900 BC .. There is flood footprint and a king's list from Sumer.

 

If the bible is referring to a flood in Iraq or something then I got no problem. Its when people claim this was a global flood. But if this was an Iraq flood and Noah had 100 years to build a boat why didn't he just move somewhere else instead of building a boat and put a zoo on board?

 

Probably caused by a lack of natural predators to keep the population stable.

 

So all you have is semantic quibbling based upon an ASSUMPTION that there have been "translation errors"?

Thanks for NEGATING your bible as being the "infallible word of god" since you just conceded that it was wrong by trying to come up with that "translation" excuse.

Furthermore by using that particular excuse you now cannot claim that your bible has never been edited and altered either since you have just conceded that it has been.

Given that your bible has undergone so many edits and alterations over the centuries what you have is nothing more than an expedient load of superstitions and myths that abjectly FAIL as the "basis" for your "creation" canards.

Since you unable to establish the veracity of any of the above, by your own admission, you have effectively negated your entire thread!



That was easy!

 

Your creation myth just FAILED miserably on this thread so starting another is not going to produce a different outcome no matter how many times you try.

Furthermore you have FAILED to "refute evolution" with anything FACTUAL. All you have done is regurgitate debunked drivel from creation sources that LACK CREDIBILITY. None of those creation sources can withstand critical scrutiny just like your own creation myth just crashed and burned by your own admission that it contains "translation errors".

 

Why are you using evolution in the argument? The major issue as to life is what created life? Not does life change.

Evolution can definitely be entirely true and GOD also be true. I like to use the creation of the universe and all life as solid evidence GOD is around doing wonderful things. Unless to you life and planets are not wonderful.

 

On the global flood. Never happened. While in the land around Israel, a flood could have happened, not to the extent reported in the OT. Time does not allow such a flood. For example, if it did cover the highest mountains of Earth, calculate the amount of water needed in 40 days to do it. It is not possible to have clouds that hold a 40 day supply of water globally at the same time. Rain would fall in the 100s of feet per hour i think. Years ago i did the math and the global flood is impossible as reported in the OT.

 

Naturalist rangers said it was the result of recurring disease set off by overpopulation, I think they had wars and made little swords that dissolved in the snow.

 

Yosemite as to wilderness is very unique. First the valley is compact. Wild life is protected. Racoons love garbage. Better is food they can round up tossed away carelessly. If one has food inside a tent, hope is there that the animal won't sneak away with the food. Humans are densely packed in the valley.

With too many of them in that compact valley, it is harder to locate food. Campsites come with bear proof trash containers. A racoon has no chance to get inside unless you open it and help one hop in. Rangers know more on this issue than i know. I have also been to Yosemite so many times i lost count. my first time in the Valley was around 1954. I have raised two families of children. I took both families to the Valley many times. I once took a brother and a pal from high school to the valley and the pal darned near lost his life to Asthma in the cold part of winter. i am one of the few that has actually dropped the road chains blocking the roads so i could drive up very high in the mountains when snow was all over the place. I never saw a racoon in the deep part of Winter either. I have entered the valley driving a variety of cars and one time a Harley Davidson motorcycle. I trust the rangers view of why there are so many Racoons.

Before the show was cancelled so many years back, Yosemite had the fire falls. As a kid I saw that a few times. Glacier point has some flat areas on top and the park had somebody using bulldozers to shove cut up trees next to the cliff. When it got just right and dark, a loud call was "Let the Fire Falls begin." Fire poured over the side with a huge glow. But some people put an end to that. Was a great tradition.

Watch the Fire Falls yourself. Amazing when there.

 

Because the THREAD TOPIC is about evolution acience vs creation bovine excrement.

Asinine theist strawman duly noted and ignored for obvious reasons.

 

I always liked watching the natural fire fall every spring....lasted about a week or so. We would take beers to El Cap meadow and drink through the sunset.