Biden appointee Rachel Levine becomes the first transgender four-star officer

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  1. dairyair

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    I never said anything about any political leaning.
    And yes, I did assume gender and skin color. Sorry.
     
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    So you don't practice what you preach huh. Can't find a single Conservative white male that made that claim as you loudly professed over and over?
    Guess who isn't shocked.

    YES they are unsuited to this high political office because of the presence of a severe mental disorder which causes them to engage in a truly horrifying amount of intentional mutilation of their appendages such that the basic functions are destroyed,
    Here is now the 3rd poster, besides you, to claim the person can't do the job because she's a transgender person.

    There is the posts you quoted and then responding pointing to me. You were apparently supposed to find a conservative white male. IDK how you assume you've found any of those things.
    For all you know I'm a self hating transgender person born intersexed and multiracial ffs.
     
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    How many trans do you know to claim they are not really trans? What medical qualifications do you posses to make such a determination?

    For those who cut off limbs is a detriment to one's self.
    How many trans people cut of limbs themselves?

    To transition is a long multiyear process. And done by medical professionals if surgery is involved.
     
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    I did. That post I quoted was a day or 2 ago. I didn't reread the entire post before responding. Again, apologies.
     
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    It was more than clear to those who can read and write English at an 8th grade level or have basic common sense.
    For others, not so much.
     
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    The answer to the questions asked were neither yes or no.

    So to make a positive claim out of the answer is just making up what you want to believe. Basic common nonsense.
     
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    Question #1 to Levine
    Do you support the government intervening to override the parent’s consent to give a child puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and/or amputation surgery of the breasts and genitalia?

    (Thats not a simple yes or no question?) Another fake claim by the left

    Levine Answer to question #1
    “Well, Senator, thank you for your interest in this question. Transgender medicine is a very complex and nuanced field with robust research and standards of care that have been developed and, if I am fortunate enough to be confirmed as the assistant secretary of health, I will look forward to working with you and your office and coming to your office and discussing the particulars of the standards of care for transgender medicine.”

    Question #2
    Let me be more specific then, Do you think the government should have the right to remove your childs genitalia without your consent?

    (Thats not a simple yes or no question?) Another fake claim by the left

    Levine answer to question #2
    Senator, Transgender medicine is a very complex and nuanced field with robust research and standards of care that have been developed and, if I am fortunate enough to be confirmed as the assistant secretary of health, I will look forward to working with you and your office and coming to your office and discussing the particulars of the standards of care for transgender medicine.”


    Like I said, ANYONE with an IQ higher than a fence post would conclude Levine doesn't want to answer the question. If you were being singled out with a lie about you, you would have cleared the air right then. So you can believe whatever you want to believe. Everyone else (but you) knows what Levine has stated in the past. Where the hell did you think the question came from in the first place. lol Jesus dude, REALLY?

    By the way, when were you going to back up this claim?
    I asked you before, now I'm asking again. Who are these Trump party all white males you claim Levine is not qualified simply because she is a trans?

    You've been running from that question for two days now. Wonder why?
     
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    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...r-star-officer.593395/page-16#post-1073019562
    I've shown you actual quotes from posters who say being trans disqualifies them from the job. She got it to check a box says 1 poster. A fake man says another, not even believing she's a trans person. Also some claim about identity politics is the reason. One of the posters even have conservative as the forum name.

    The answer was not a yes or a no. Can you read the reply?

    Senator, Transgender medicine is a very complex and nuanced field with robust research and standards of care that have been developed and, if I am fortunate enough to be confirmed as the assistant secretary of health, I will look forward to working with you and your office and coming to your office and discussing the particulars of the standards of care for transgender medicine.”


    Does that sound like a yes or no? It was neither. So to make a positive claim 1 way or the other is reading one's mind. And I know you can't do that accurately at all.
     
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    Oh, so now you're claiming all these posters are all white males? How would you know that exactly? Oh, you were just claiming BS.
    Didn't you have to apologie to one person already for that remark?

    Could you deflect any harder if you tried. lol
    Who said anything about the answer being yes or no when I provided the answer for you. Jesus.

    I said they were yes or no questions. Are you really having this much trouble keeping up.
     
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    Its cool. Other than conservative you're right, I am of celtic extraction (white being a rather broad term for a dozen or so ethnicities) and definitely a person with a natural penis.
    You'd only have to apologize to some whackadoo that thought one couldn't use some context clues of conversation to figure that out or if you were wrong should be abhorred.
    The for shame was intended to be playful, hence the "doc" of Bugs Bunny fame.
     
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    Prove a negative, what was the merit that got him there.

    And you dodged this

    Let me ask something, when the first REAL woman gets promoted to 4 star admiral while she be denied that honor as being such because Biden proclaimed this pretend man is? How does that advance the cause of women?

    In fact I watched how in his speech after being awarded the admiralty, even though he never served a day in the military, he boostfully declared.how proud he is to he the first FEMALE to have received it. That is a lie and proves he is mentally unfit to he in this position making government policies and seeing them instituted.

    Then you don't know enough to comment at all on the do you?
     
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    The answer does not match your made up claim of what the Admiral supports. It's your posts proving you wrong.
    I don't have to try anything.
     
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    I know of several cases where the child being coerced by a parent who wanted an X instead of a Y or vice versa, is a very reasonable question to ask. Since the harm here is done by the puberty blocker and hormone therapy and is done to minor children and effects their health permanently. If you're confused about facts in common knowledge, you can try to google it if you're confused, like you should have done about body dysmorphia and instead I had to do for you. You owe me one gender nonspecific favored sibling. Try doing this one on your own. My koalifications are, I expect, the same ones you have claiming everything is just honky ****ing dorry.

    Every one which transitions mutilates beyond recognition or repair an appendage of a critical nature in more than one bodily system.
    Every one which goes 'male to female' ends up with a permanent unnatural hole in their body which is prone to infection etc.
    Testosterone injections have a laundry list of known side effects, estrogen as well. For males and females.
    Retarding the natural development and growth of the body is a bad idea, medically speaking. Akin to tying up the leg one afflicted with body dysmorphia is convinced they shouldn't have and allowing it to atrophy. Even if you don't cut it off, you've done the next closest thing and that's rather too close in this case.
     
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    I answered your question. What makes you think the nomination and Senate approval was because she's a transgender? MEANING, no woman lost out the job in this case. So no woman lost out on the position.

    Are you yet another white male conservative claiming the Admiral doesn't deserve the job because she's a trans?
     
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    my youngest son is 6'4" and 225 ... he would be an ugly chick ...
     
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    Parents wishing their kid be a different gender is a different issue than 1 choosing it themselves based on their life.

    Parents should not just change a kids gender, if that is what you were implying. I would think that would be criminal and the doctor doing the therapy should report them.

    For those who are adult, as Levine is or Jenner, isn't that their right? Who are we to tell them what they are as a person.
    I can't even fathom what a trans person feels or thinks.

    Their body, their choice. It's also my take on many issues. I can not begin to tell any of the 7B people in the world how they have to live and act.
     
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    Nor does it match any question asked or anything else. Its just a made up babble to dodge questions.
    But I'm sure you can understand it just fine. lol
     
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    Yep, I understand it just fine.
    It wasn't as admission that gov't can force children to change their sex without parents consent. The answer was not for that or against that.

    So unless one is a mind reader, and I know you are not, we don't know the answer to that question. Except the Admiral is willing to discuss it one on one with the Senator that asked the question.

    Most will never directly answer gotcha type questions as a confirmation hearing.
     
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    And the idea that an 8 year old can make such a decision with anything like informed consent is absolutely non-sensical. Nor is the parent pushing it a thing that doesn't occur. Under the policy given by levine we'd be pumping both of these categories of kids with blockers.

    No, they shouldn't. But it does indeed occur and because of the "if you question it you're a bigot" conditions that exist in the present day you have a disturbing amount of it going through.

    Its their right to feel as they wish, sure. It's their right to claim whatever, sure. Its their right to ask, I'm not sure its anything but quackery for a doctor to acquiesce.
    That doesn't mean that those persons are not a) demonstrating mental instability and b) should be invested with public office and set medical policy.
    I can't fathom how a schizophrenic thinks either. That doesn't mean they should hold public office or that they aren't mentally unstable.

    Their body their choice so lets allow amputation of fully functional limbs? Is that what you're saying? Where do we draw the line on this eh? Can a 13 yr old girl who really wants to just cut herself whenever she's feeling down? Should we allow someone to stab themselves?

    Bullshit. You tell people how to act and live all the time, just like anyone else. Don't steal from me, don't murder me, don't rape me, don't steal from others, don't murder others, don't rape others, don't assault me, don't assault others, put some ****ing clothes on in public, stop touching your genitals in public and staring at people, stop painting with your feces on the wall etc.
    You need to let go of this idea that we set no norms for each other, or that saying "gee you're a bit odd for me to trust with policy making decisions" is somehow the worst thing ever.
    One of the norms we set for each other is: don't try to harm yourself or I'll have to have you committed. Another is: As a doctor, do not perform surgical procedures unless there is an actual medical necessity for them.
     
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    Its only a gotcha question, if its true.
    If I asked you do you think the government should be allowed to cut off the genitals of your children without your permission, Do you have to think about that? Do you need a paragraph that has nothing to do with that to answer it?

    Or would you just say hell no. He didn't say no. If you prefer the idiot games of the left, you can have all you want. If you don't have the common sense to know when someone is dodging a question, there isn't anything anyone here can do for you.

    But I find it really AMAZING how you can EASILY jump to CRAZY conclusions like everyone who doesn't want Levine is because he is a trans is just white males but you struggle with obvious question dodging? Sorry, no sale here. You need to sell that to some other lefty who thinks like you do. Most people with basic common sense will never buy that garbage but you are free to regurgitate it along with your white male BS all you want.
     
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    No, a gotcha question is set to entrap a person.

    What my personal opinion or yours is on the topic is irrelevant. Neither of us are qualified.
    If you prefer the idiot games of the right, you can have all you want. If you don't have common sense to know you are not the expert on every topic in the world and think you are the know all be all, there isn't anything anyone can do for you here.

    I have not jumped to any conclusions. This whole discussion we had is you JUMPING to CRAZY conclusions.
    Sorry, no sale here.
    Those people jumping to conclusions and pretending to be mind readers have no basic common sense and no one will ever buy the garbage that comes from that fantasy world.
     
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    OK, going way off topic here and in an area where I don't pay a whole lot of attention to.
    So I'll just agree to disagree.

    I don't think a trans is disqualified from a job just because they are trans.
    You think they are.
     
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    Its perfectly well on topic or did you not bother to read the study comparing body dysmorphia and sexual dysmorphia disorders effects and outcomes?

    You're the one coming on here and demanding people have medical expertise to have an opinion, you've voiced your opinion that everything is perfectly fine, fairly heavily implied that thinking things are not perfectly fine means you're a bigot of some stripe or the other, but you won't answer simple points on the issue because its 'off topic' or 'an area where I don't pay a whole lot of attention to"?

    Let's not agree to disagree (which fyi would be a norm society often sets for polite resolutions of disagreements. Odd that you think we don't set norms when here you are setting them), let's agree that you're wrong to think things are just honky ****ing dorry and MAYBE you need to examine the 3rd and 4th order effects of things like puberty blockers a LITTLE more closely.

    I think they're disqualified from holding a policy maker's position because they have a severe mental disorder which impairs their perception of and interaction with reality, just like the narcissist you offered when we began this little exchange. That's not because of hate, that's because I don't want a mentally unstable person setting policy.

    You on the other hand have a hard time answering simple questions such as: does their body their choice apply to a minor child engaging in cutting? Does their body their choice mean we need to allow for voluntary unnecessary amputation of a functional limb? Does their body their choice allow someone to stab themselves?
    Its fairly straightforward: You want to set policy? Fine, set it then. You have to draw the line. Answer those 3 questions and let's see if we can't feel out where you think the line should be and why.
     
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    How many times do you have to be caught in a lie before you stop?

    Asking a question that gives you the opportunity to clear yourself with a single no answer, isn't a gotcha question.

    You stated it was only Trumpist white males who were claiming Levine shouldn't get the job because he was a trans.
    Yet you weren't jumping to conclusions? How many times did you have to apologize for that remark?

    Then you tried to claim The answer to the questions asked were neither yes or no. What ever thats supposed to mean especially when it was clear we were talking about a yes or no question. Nobody ever heard of a yes or no answer.

    Then you tried to claim over and over I claimed the only reason Levine wasn't qualified is because he's a trans.
    Yet I have provided post after post as to why he isn't qualified

    Then you posted you're not an expert on the biological determination of male vs female. But you will listen to professionals over internet posters because human construction isn't a binary construction? Thats was a real winner.

    You are obviously clueless on Levine or you did a 4 second google search and you already know. Either way, you're just wasting data space with BS.
     
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