Biden calls for "COMMON SENSE" gun laws

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    They will try - they believe, after all, the are entitled to it.
     
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    That seems extreme but wouldn't surprise me and by the looks of the bare shelves at the two LGS on the way home from work, everyone else agrees and has been stocking up, in a big way. The big one near me usually has 6-800 on the shelves, now there is maybe 25 total, literally wiped out.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Of course they will. But further, they will continue to push laws that retroactively place large numbers of gun owners in a position of being criminals for guns or accessories they purchased legally and long owned. It provides an easier means to either force registration of gun owners (not the guns), or provides a means for leveling charges, anytime an owner is found in possession of banned/restricted object, which on conviction, removes their gun owning rights. They bill such laws a being for pubic safety, but the real objective is political.
     
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    Biden has said he favors a buyback to get assault weapons off the street. Not sure if it'll happen.... Senate Republicans could use a filibuster to prevent any gun control bill from being voted on.
     
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    Two best average Stock Market returns in the last 50 years was under Clinton and Obama.
    Last "common sense " gun restriction was the bump-stock ban signed by a REPUBLICAN President in 2019 ... wonder who that was ...
     
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    You went off topic from my prior response, but I will answer anyway...
    Stocks were down the crapper under Obama. Clinton was President when computers were up and coming.

    Unconstitutional btw... Trump (and Congress) was in error here.

    Both parties are corrupt as all hell.
     
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    Dude - the Obama years averaged a 12% per year return in the stock market. Those are simple numbers from Wall Street, not
    political numbers.
     
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    There's no sense to be found anywhere in this restriction, much less common.
     
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    If the government can send stimulus checks to millions of Americans then why can't it also buy back guns from millions of Americans?
     
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    Simple: The vast majority of us aren't selling.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    It would cost far more than that the stimulus program. I will be happy to sell my guns to the Government for fair market value, but the government, Biden, will want to pay pennies on the dollar, not a fair market price. Of course they will stack the deck by passing legislation prohibiting the private transfer of guns, drying up the market and thereby altering the fair market price to what they dictate, basically screwing gun owners of the value of their property.
     
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    Mine aren’t for sale and their price won’t match the figure I would come up with should I decide to sell one or two while keeping the rest of my property that I legally purchased. The seller dictates the price, not the buyer.
     
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    That's not how it was in Australia.
     
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    Because millions of Americans don’t want to sell them to the government. And there is nothing the government can do to take them.
     
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    You aren’t understanding me. I’m not selling.
     
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    Australia is nothing like the US. They are a tiny fraction of our population, and and even smaller fraction of guns were there.
     
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    So? This isn’t Australia.
    Those already attempted bans, even, associated with felony level sanctions for non conformance have been met with dismal results and have only served to place huge numbers of people in jeopardy of being of being charged with a crime, subject to blackmail and extortion, and further subjected to political prosecution... this latter, I suggest is the objective of the DEM party.
    Then too, any such law, affecting some 125 million people will likely result in one or more SCOTUS cases addressing the constitutionality with SCOTUS challenges alleging violations of the 2nd, 5th and other Amendments.
    Further, such a stupid move on the part of the DEMs will feed the fears of their political opposition and serve to lend legitimacy to various whacko fringe groups along with entrenching the political opposition of right voters making them more susceptible to rationalizing armed violence, of which small numbers of that mindset have potential for generating far more unforeseen consequences that their numbers would suggest possible. The thirty years of conflict in Ireland were perpetuated by somewhere between 400 to less than 1000 volunteers at any one time with only a few hundred fire arms against one of the largest, best armed forces in the world and even then the IRA was never defeated. The US has around 125 million gun owners with nearly 500 million weapon weapons, more than all the armies combined in the world. Do the numbers; if but a tiny fraction decided not just to opt to comply, but decide violence is can be rationalized by their fears, and it should be obvious that the risks are for results that cannot be predicted.
     
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    This isn't Australia.
    The vast majority of us aren't selling.
     
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    The real points about weapons in the hands of civilians in US are quantity and registration.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
    A wiki page is not exactly a marvelous source, but it's a start point.
    Americans own two times the weapons [with reference to the population] than the inhabitants of the Falklands and Americans don't risk to be invaded by Argentinians!

    Then in US only 1,000,000 on 393,000,000 weapons are registered.
    In Italy 2,000,000 of weapons are registered on 8,500,000.

    I'm ok to own weapons [with a hunter license in Italy you can have a real arsenal in your home], but probably they should be better controlled.
    A common sense solution to obtain this would be to make the registration of the weapons obligatory and to tax them.

    I'm not talking about a tax to pay when you buy a weapon, but a tax to pay every year because you own a weapon.
    It's a right to own a weapon, but the country could impose a kind of "insurance policy" making the owners pay an annual tax per weapon.
    And since a weapon can cause unpleasant damages, the tax should be heavy: around 200$ per weapon per year.
    The government would collect about 78,600,000,000$ per year!

    Don't suggest this to President Biden ... he could consider the idea ...
     
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    This is unnecessary and ineffective, Thus it contains no sense at all.
    In order to exercise a right - a fundamental right specifically protected by the constitution - you must pay a yearly tax?
     
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    Eh ... you don't know politicians ... to drive a car in Italy it's obligatory to have an insurance ...
    The US government could make an insurance obligatory if you want to own a weapon [200$ thanks!].
     
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    In the US, you only need insurance when you drive a car on public roads.
    I bet Italy is the same.
    How is it necessary to force gun owners to have insurance for their guns?
     
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    Let’s see owning a gun is a fundamental protected right but you want to tax that right. Given voting is a danger a potential danger to the country, should that right be taxed? What freedom, should every person pay a freedom tax? Tax free speech? How much a word? Or tax only offensive words...you know a swear jar principle.

    Let’s face I, you are looking at any bypass to the Constitution to limit a protected right.

    ‘Shall not be infringed’ phrase in the 2A would prohibit any tax scheme that effectively removes that right.

    When people talk about gun control they invariably advocate methods that violate other protections of the Constitution.
     
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    I'm not looking at this or that ... I'm just imagining what President Biden could do.
    Going back to reality, Obama did a bit more than a nut about weapons https://www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3367595

    Out of fantasy, we should wonder which problem does this administration want to solve about weapons.
    And about this, I would guess that Biden wants to avoid a misuse of weapons, without thinking to limit the possibility to own them.
    This could mean that they could think to an additional health insurance for the persons who carry around weapons [it's not a misuse to use a gun against a robber who has entered your home!] or something similar.

    We will see ...
     
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    No, it isn't. In Italy you need an insurance to drive a car everywhere ...

    About gun owners, in my opinion it's not necessary, but I'm thinking to what this administration could invent and a 200$ annual insurance could be a deterrent for gun owners.
     

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