Biden Just Committed to a Female Veep

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  1. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hmmm....Carter started out popular, but tanked during the first year of his term, and only had a small short-lived blip where he briefly recovered.


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    Granted, the virus and resulting economic depression may make Dementia Joe far more popular in November than is merited no matter who he picks to become president.

    Anyway, we're getting way off the topic of Joe's VP pick.
     
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    The Washington Post gave the Biden campaign Pinnochios for doctoring a video showing Trump calling the Democratic response to his campaign's response to the virus a hoax. Little difference in my book because Trump went on to downplay the virus. And yes. I think Tracey Abrams will be a fine President. Isn't THAT the topic here?
     
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    Kinda like Trump never reaching over 50.
     
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    The internet and 24hr news cycle has changed everything. Now every gaffe, every vote in Congress, and just about everything else can be broadcast to the world. Prior the information was only available if the media chose to broadcast...
     
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    I wouldn't vote for any of them but Klobuchar seems to me to be most prepared. As for Joe's choice, he'll choose who he's told to.
     
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    So, we're back to the, "the economy is awful, it's just your lying eyes tricking you" phase?
    You do provide some good food for thought though, thank you.
    I am with the pro-balanced budget Amendment crowd. The 1990s Republicans went a long way towards getting us back on track, only to have 43 rev up the charge cards again. Without the Amendment, what's the point of being responsible if the next yahoo is just going to squander it all again? I'm not convinced inflation is all bad. It hurts money hoarders. They can spend it, which puts money in the pockets of workers, invest it, which makes jobs and increased wages, or lose it to inflation. Rich people hate losing money. Not an easy call as it hurts ordinary people too.
    I think Bush 41 and his "Kinder Gentler Nation" schtick was trying to say, "just vote for me because I am so gosh darned decent. Then, trust me, I'm going to govern in any darn way I please." And I think Jimmy genuinely is that decent. Doesn't mean his vision can help the nation.
    Trump has a pretty craptacular personality. But next to Joe, "I try to politically prostitute myself" Biden? An easy call. "Keep America Great".
     
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    Nope, not splitting hairs. Facts matter. Trump never ONCE said that the virus was a hoax. Despite your claim. That you are now trying to move the goal posts yet still tie it to him as if he did say that shows that all you're doing is spinning.

    And I'll note that once again, you could not actually address what I actually did say.
     
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    Klobuchar would be to Biden what Biden was to Obama: a relatively unknown figure who could stand behind the president for 4 years and smile and nod without causing any major negative vibes with the public. That seems to be the job description for VP, except that Biden's is likely to actually become president during the first term.

    Klobuchar probably is the least controversial. Except for throwing office supplies at staff and eating salad with a hair comb, she's pretty "clean".
     
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    I didn't pick her to be vice President, I chose her with the thought that Biden may not even make it through the inauguration so I see her as the best Presidential candidate of the lot.
     
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    Very true.
     
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    Nonsense! Fat Donny Downer calls everything a hoax. If fact lives matter ~ you could never vote for a habitual liar like Fat Donny Downer. He called the Democratic response to his response, "a hoax," and that's a fact! Same dif with your spin but without all the alphabet soup!
     
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    George Walker Bush and Bill Clinton managed to balance our budget following Reagan's massive, but at the time necessary, deficit spending spree.ANd you're right about Dubya. Obama got things on track pretty quickly and then bailed on the economy, letting it coast, while pushing social welfare projects at a great cost. But Biden understands the machinery and Trump isn't making America Great. He's running up the deficit at a record pace and never looking back. IF you ran your own personal budget like that you'd have no income with all maxed out credit cards. All the while begging the banks to increase your credit limit each year just so you can make ends meet. And living a lavish, big party life-style. He's crapping all over our allies while chumming up with all our sworn enemies and with nothing to show for it. This is weakening America again. That guy is worse than Jimmy Carter!
     
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    Which is why the DNC will bend over backwards for anyone else.
     
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    Klobuchar

    Or Amy whatever you prefer
     
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    Warren said Sanders said a woman can't win the Presidency. He denied it. I don't know what he said. I wasn't there, but let me be the first to say:
    A WOMAN CAN NOT WIN THE VICE PRESIDENCY THIS YEAR!
    Follow me.
    In 1984 they nominated Geraldine Ferraro for VP. She won one state.
    In 2008 they nominated Sarah Palin for President. She won 22 states, not including Ferraro's state.
    In 2016 they nominated Hillary Clinton for President. She won 20 states, including Ferraro's state. That leaves 7 states that have never voted for a woman.
    They are: Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin and Michigan.
    Explain to me how the Democrats can win this year without those 7 states.
     
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    Hillary didn't run for VP, and she won the popular vote so it's clear the momentum favors against your forecast. Before Obama what was your forecast for people of color in the WH?
     
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    I didn't think he could win, but he's only half black. I knew Colin Powell would never have a chance, because he's not acceptable as a true black man. That might have worked against Obama if he wasn't also half white.
    More importantly, Obama is not culturally black. He wasn't rapping, talking jive, or complaining about centuries of oppression.
    It helped a lot that he was running against a man who was too old and a woman less qualified than himself and had a running mate who was the most qualified person in the country.
    I voted for Biden in 2008, not his running mate. Biden has almost said he was really running the country those 8 years. It might slip out yet.
    I'm not always right about these things, but why would Trump voters switch? He has not gotten more disgusting. We have.
     
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    Well maybe they'll feel he HAS, "gotten more disgusting," over the last 4 years by: alienating all our allies, chumming up with our enemies with nothing to show for it, and quite possibly running our economy into the ground with record high deficits and near ZERO percent interest in our savings accounts as well as all the markets' now showing less value than they did when he first took office. And you didn't think Obama could win but now it makes sense to you because, as you say, "he's only half black," and you say, "he was running against a man who was too old..." even though McCain was 2 years YOUNGER in 2008 (72) than Trump is this election year (74). Does it surprise you that any rational person may think your conclusions are unfounded?
     
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    Nothing surprises me.
    Replacing a man who is too old with a man 4 years older is absurd. My point was that many likely McCain voters voted against him because he might die and be replaced by a woman. In this case it's almost certain Biden will not finish the term, so voting for him with a female running mate is the same as electing a female.
    Anyone who would not vote for a female will not consider voting for Biden this year, so if Democrats want to win they'll pick a fully qualified man the right age.
    I think not one Trump voter from 2016 will dump him for Biden, regardless of running mate.
    Gary Johnson got 4 million votes as a Libertarian. In most races, the Libertarian gets one million.
    I'm guessing half his votes were right-leaners who wanted Johnson and Weld (both Republicans and better qualified than Trump and Hillary). They might vote for Trump this time because he did roughly what a nice Republican would do.
    One million will likely stay Libertarian as usual.
    That leaves one million in my category. We would not vote for a disgusting old man or the worst woman alive. This year we hoped for better. I still can't vote for Trump, but won't vote for Biden unless his running mate is exactly to my liking. For me that's age and qualifications. For others it might be gender (because they could have voted for Jill Stein).
    So I think Trump starts with 2 million more votes than 2016, might earn most of a third million.
    If you're relying on northern blacks to get as excited for Biden as they got for Obama, you have a long way to go. So the best choice for VP is Deval Patrick, or a white man from a midwest swing state.
    Of course the Democrats might not really want to win this election. Then they choose a woman as a market research study as in 84.
     
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    Do you REALLY think it was because McCain had a female running mate, or do you think maybe it was because his running mate was an ignorant idiot? Do you think maybe it would have turned out differently if a Haley Barber had been available at the time?

    Trump's situation is not looking good at all right now. He has really allowed our economy and markets to fall hard over this very bizarre world-wide reaction to a new strain of the common cold, all while running up the deficit and destroying savings account interest rates. He has alienated our allies and sucked up to our enemies, with nothing to show for any of it. He has soiled the integrity of the office with his childish game playing and shady past dealings (he won't even reveal his tax returns for crying out loud). So maybe the idea that people voting for a change last time will be likely to vote for another change. Yes it is hard to beat an incumbent. But much easier when things aren't going so well. We'll have to wait and see what November looks like But just remember: Carter, after screwing things up, did not win reelection either.
     
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    It’s called virtue signaling. He should make his pick based on merit not gender.
    Harris was willie Browns whore for years. Not very promising from a woman empowerment perspective to have spread your legs to get a job or promotion. I’m sure she would have no problem being old joes side piece as well.
     
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    If many are equally qualified why NOT pick a woman? It's high time for smashing through YOUR silly glass floor! And, "spread your legs"??? LOL!!!! Harris is hardly Melania! She didn't pose nude in lesbian-theme negligee ads for a living like fat-boy's trophy wife! She was an effective prosecuting attorney, before becoming a sitting Senator, with an extremely formidable conviction rate. Joe, unlike Disloyal Donald, has never cheated on his wife of 33 years!!!
     
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    joe didn’t pick a woman, he picked a gender, now he has to find a suitable woman to fill it. That is virtue signaling.
    And Harris is a whore. Has been her whole adult life.
     

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