Biden may beat trump

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  1. Yulee

    Yulee Well-Known Member

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    No one cares about debates anymore. We are such a hyper partisan country now neither candidate can lose the debate.
     
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    What will be different? Lame Dem candidate that may or may not remember where he is at most of the time. Against a person, hate him or not, which I do, but has been good for both of us. Figure it out.
     
  3. Sleep Monster

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    Sigh ...

    Why are you convinced that illegals will be voting at all, much less tens of thousands of them? Where did you get that information? It's pure horse pucky.

    It won't surprise me if Trump wins re-election, but if Biden wins, it won't be due to illegals voting, it will be due to Americans voting. To simplify: Trump is an a..hole, and most of us don't like a..holes. Biden is not an a..hole. And no, he isn't senile either.
     
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    I agree. I find it sad to know that an old white guy, even one as genuinely nice as Biden, is going to choose the first woman president. I would prefer that we the people do that, but women are still just not considered by most Americans as worthy of the office.
     
  5. HurricaneDitka

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    I don't think that's true at all. I didn't consider Hillary worthy of the office, but there are quite a few women I'd happily support for president (in 2024 or beyond). I'm not alone in that sentiment.
     
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    Hunter Biden will be in headlines
    before November.



    The ole man will be derailed.
    Not that I believe he is electable regardless.
    Too much Republican - lite
    Not enough difference.



    Moi :oldman:






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  7. Junkieturtle

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    If Biden wants to beat Trump, the first thing he needs to do, right now, is convince those moron Democrats in Congress right now that trying to score political points isn't going to work.
     
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    I think Alexander's statement is more to reassure himself than an accurate prediction.
     
  9. Sleep Monster

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    You aren't "most Americans." There were several in the race a year ago, some of them extremely capable, but even the Democratic women who were polled only came out about even on whether or not they could see a woman as Commander in Chief.

    100 years since we were finally allowed to vote, and still no woman POTUS. As an old-time benchmark feminist, that makes me sad.

    :lonely:
     
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    Americans overwhelmingly say they could support a woman for president. That's been true of a majority of the country for ~70 years now:

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    You and I obviously differ on whether the women running for the Dem nomination (and the men for that matter) amount to "extremely capable", but that's a topic for another day.
     
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    Biden has a slow walk in the park - he just has to not shoot himself in the foot too many times.

    It is Trump that has an uphill battle - especially with his strongest card in jeopardy - the economy - but even without that - if Blacks and Latino's unite behind Biden and show up to the polls - this is tough.

    Then you have the demographic time bomb to consider. 4 years have passed since the last election - more blue voters have come into the ranks as Red voters have died off - now that we have corona going after elderly white males .. it all counts.

    Red should have never won the last election due to the bomb. Tryno was helped out huge by the other Candidate - who alienated the Blue Anti Establishment Sanders voters - had no plan or message - nothing to vote for. All Hillary did was "Bad Trump Bad Trump" like a parrot on a broken record.

    This time will be different - and Red is in trouble.
     
  12. Andrew Jackson

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    Barring anything unforeseeable, Biden should WIN.

    In fact, the starting map is 278 Biden to 205 Trump.

    Trump is Toast.
     
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    That will depend on how many false coronavirus narratives Democrats are actually able to sell to the public. In their favor the young college students and grads seem the most idealistically gullible.
     
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    The youth were sold on the Dem narrative - false or otherwise - long prior to Corona. Corona will on only increase devotion to the Blue cause IMO.

    The reason the youth are falling away from Red more to do with the dated platform of Red than anything good about Blue - and I have been saying this for more than a decade.

    Red's abortion platform is a disaster and Gay marriage reinforces the hatred of the right for freedom and choice in the minds of the younger generation (and they are correct). .
    Private for profit healthcare is not popular among the younger generation either.
     
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    Blue was divided last election - a complete mess. The nominee got caught messing with the electoral process for goodness sakes - against another member of the party - and a very popular one - Bernie Sanders. In addition Establishment wonk Hillary did not appeal to the Anti Establishment in the Bernie camp. While these folks did not likely run to the Red Camp - many just didn't vote.

    In addition -Hillary was a horrible candidate - with a condescending arrogant personality that was so nails on the chalkboard that even many Dem women did not like here - although voting Blue while holding nose.

    Despite this - and all the other things mentioned - Blue still won the popular vote. This should - and does - scare the pants of of Red.

    Their anti abortion - anti gay - private for profit healthcare platform simply does not appeal to the younger generation.
     
  16. Andrew Jackson

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    True about Hillary.

    She was the wrong candidate.

    Sadly, that didn't become clear to the DNC until after 2 AM on Election Night.

    I see Biden holding all of the Clinton States (and Flipping back PA, MI, and WI).

    That's 278 right there.

    Trump should get (at least) 205.

    But, this time around FL, NC, AZ, and NE-2 are all in play for the Dems.
     
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    Never mind the Clinton States - this time will be different.. look at the difference in Bernie Supporters during the primaries. I get the calculation you are doing but I am looking at other factors.

    Blacks make up 12.6% of the population - Latino's 16.7 - This is 30% of the electorate who will be overwhelmingly voting Blue - the key for blue is to get these folks to the poles. If that happens - big trouble for Red.

    Then you have the younger generation - the demographic time bomb. 18-24 is 18% of eligible voters - That makes those under 30 - 36% of the eligible voters.

    This is 66% of the eligible voters who tend to overwhelmingly favor blue. It is simply a matter of getting these traditionally under-represented demographics to the polls.
     
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    Biden's path will be easier with an energized Black Vote in Detroit and Milwaukee and the absence of a 3rd Party Candidate (like Stein) siphoning off Dem. Votes in swing states.
     
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    Still too many Bernie supporters out there that will write in Bernie to screw up Biden.

    Personally, Biden is Bidens biggest opponent and just like him, he may be too senile to know which one should win.
     
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    It won't matter.

    Most Bernie Supporters are concentrated in Deep Blue States anyway.

    And, in places like PA, MI, and WI, Biden has enough of a coalition to win without them.

    Especially without a polarizing candidate (like Hillary) and Jill Stein not siphoning off votes.
     
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    The Red side has been worried for some time now that this day would come - They should have lost the last election regardless of the candidate - Trump was a bit of an ironic Godsend - both blessing and curse. Trump was able to mobilize the right leaning Anti Establishment (AE) middle. Trump has worked hard to maintain an AE Aura ... if nothing else. Maybe you don't know why Trump won - maybe you do - but I can tell you one thing for certain - Trump knows why he won.

    The same locks are in place on both sides - Religious right conservative block will vote Red - hence Pence. Hard core blue will vote blue.

    Trump will have a much tougher time with the middle right AE crowd .. on the other side

    1) Bernie AE blue block will be A) showing up B) voting Biden
    2) Latino - Black Block - Biden
    3) Younger generation tilts Biden - and 4 more years of Eligible blue young-uns - even more indoctrinated that the last bunch ? - or maybe not so much. Today's kids do not function on the same programming level that the previous generations did -
    4) Corona - one has to think that this tilts Biden w/r to the focus on healthcare.
    and second - Donald's biggest Trump Card - has been reduced to a withering pile of ashes - Economy.

    One last thing - I am not an anti Trumper - and from an objective perspective - Trump has not handled this crisis well. Of particular note however is how uncomfortable Trump seems in dealing with and when having to speak on this issue. Do you not get this sense as well ?

    Trump is a bit of a germaphobe - but also this is a Eugenics issue of sorts - and Trump is a Social Darwinist.
     
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    Red's abortion platform is spot on and as for right to choices, there was a time the choices were Army, Navy, Marines or Air Force. People then understood the value of this country to ourselves and to the rest of the world.
     
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    You may like Red's abortion platform - but this is not about your preference - nor mine for that matter - it is about what the voters want - in particular - the younger demographic. This has nothing to do with the Army Navy or air force.

    It was old some of the old guard Republicans that understood the value of the founding principles - respect for individual liberty

    This is what the so called "Godfather of Conservatism" - Goldwater, had to say
    • "I am a conservative Republican, but I believe in democracy and the separation of church and state. The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process."
      (in a 1994 Washington Post essay)
    • "The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others,"
    • "I don't have any respect for the Religious Right."
    • "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."
    • "A woman has a right to an abortion.
    You hate the founding principles and principles of Republicanism - and so you are OK with forcing religious beliefs on others through physical violence (Law)

    You are welcome to your opinion .. I just do not share it - but neither your opinion or mine matters to this discussion.
     
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    Didn't read whole thread. In its multi century history of fraud and lies, there's never a "sure thing" against the Democratic Party. That is a consequence of the rest of our arrogance and complacence for decades in concert with their astonishing appetite for greed and power. The country be damned as long as they get theirs. We deserve the fraud, lies, incompetence and theft we get from our government, and especially the Democrats. Can this ever change? Stay tuned.

    But if there ever was a sure thing in modern U.S. politics? Nov 2020 is rapidly eclipsing 1984.
     
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    Biden is coming back gangbusters!
     

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