Biden to detail pullout plans for last troops in Afghanistan

— President Joe Biden is planning to announce his plans to withdraw remaining U.S. troops from Afghanistan, declaring that the Sept. 11 attacks “cannot explain” why American forces should still be there 20 years after the deadliest terror assault on the United States.

His plan is to pull out all the American forces — numbering 2,500 now — by this Sept. 11, according to U.S. officials. That is the anniversary of the attacks, which were coordinated from Afghanistan.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-bide...september-11-d2c7426736f9f530e0e62f2295a44d28

What do you think?
Good idea?
Bad idea?
Long overdue?
Etc...

 

I expect that the taliban will take over.
Maybe the russians want to take another crack at it.

 

Its time.

I supported Trump when he said he would do it.........

 

We have no business being over there period.

They need to do a planned pullout and let them govern themselves.

 

So, even the orange menace to society was right about this one?

 

yes ... even a blind squirrel finds a nut ...

 

His desire to leave was, the way he wanted to do so was not (an abrupt unplanned pullout)

Many things trump wanted to do would have been good if he and his staff wasn’t so incompetent. The damage he was successful in doing would have been much more severe though so it was a fair trade off.

 

I don't think there's a difference between an 'abrupt' pull out, and a 'strategic' pull out. I mean, you're leaving. Whether you leave in May or September makes no difference. If the Afghanistani government was going to get run over by the Taliban, then they were going to get run out by the Taliban.

The solution is a combination of the no-fly list/travel bans, but god forbid we say "not everyone and their mama is invited to America". That's just too heartless and racist of us ROFL. No, it's strategically smart. You wanna come here and mess with things? You're not welcome to be here.

 

I'm good with it.

Why Pakistan Supports the Taliban
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/04/25/why-pakistan-supports-taliban.html


Years ago war correspondent Michael Yon wrote a great little blurb about Afghanistan that has always stuck with me:


Afghanistan: A Dream That Will Not Come True

Afghanistan is a gaunt, thorny bush, growing amid rocks and dust on dry windswept plains, sweltering deserts, and man-crushing mountains. Its neighbors are treacherous. The Afghan people are mostly living relics, only more advanced than hidden tribes in the Amazon, but centuries behind the least advanced European nations.

Afghanistan is a gaunt, thorny bush, subsisting on little more than sips of humidity from the dry air. We imagined that we could make the bush into a tree, as if straw could be spun into gold or rocks transmuted to flowers. If we continue to imagine that we can turn the thorny bush into a tree, eventually we will realize the truth, but only after much toil, blood and gold are laid under the bush, as if such fertilizer would turn a bush into a tree. We did not make Afghanistan what it is. Afghanistan has existed for thousands of years. It grows the way it grows because the bush drops seeds that make more bushes, never trees.

We must alter our expectations for Afghanistan. There are bigger problems afoot. The ice is melting, banks are melting, and the prestige of great nations that do great things is melting, because they thought they could transform a thorny bush into a tree.

 

FINALLY! Mathematically, I just knew it was inevitable that there would be one (ONE) thing that Biden announces that I really do approve of -- and that's getting us the hell out (OUT) of Afghanistan!

"W" Bush should have had us out by not later than 2006. "Messiah" Obama swore he'd get us out of there all during the 2008 presidential campaign, but ended up lying through his dripping teeth -- not for the first time. Through eight, long, miserable Obama years, all we did was sit there, blowing billions more dollars, and getting more of our people killed....

Then, mysteriously, TRUMP should have employed some common sense and 'pulled the plug', but he didn't get us out, either.

So -- GOOD FOR YOU, JOE! You are on course to fugg-up everything else you touch, but I'll give you credit if you really do get us the hell totally out of Afghanistan by September 11, 2021!

 

The last time Biden planned to pull out was probably thirty some years ago.

 

Obama did NOT promise to get out of Afganistán. You’re thinking of Trump

 

No, Mello, when I say Obama, I mean Obama....

Hell, there's jillions of links out there to those old stories. Here, I'll just give you one easy-to-find-one of many, but at least this one won't try to badger you into subscribing to them and paying money for this news. Totally unnecessary... here ya go --
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...n-he-leaves-office-officials/article26819952/

Know what's even worse? As far back as 2012, Obama made a 'midnight visit' to Afghanistan in which he committed American support -- guaranteed -- to those creeps until 2024 (not a typo)... yeah, 2024. I'll bet you'll want to see a link to that story... right? Here ya go -- https://www.commondreams.org/news/2012/05/02/obamas-midnight-deal-will-stretch-afghan-war-2024

Afterthought: there's many reasons why many of us truly do believe that with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln, Barack Obama was the absolute worst president this country has ever had.

 

I am completely against it. I don't trust the Taliban to keep Al Qaeda nor isis out of Afghanistan. They along with Pakistan will grab complete power and return to pre 9/11.

 

How about you post one quote of obama saying he’d get us out?
That link is just someone saying he said it, but i don’t think he did. Iraq yes.

 

And if they do become a haven for terrorists again, robster, NEXT time we simply address the problem with AIR POWER -- no need for 'boots-on-the-ground'. We bomb the living hell out of them and tell them that if they don't 'cease and desist' in supporting terror organizations that threaten us, or in being one themselves, we'll fly back over and bomb the living hell out of them AGAIN!

I'll guarantee you that if we simply continue with THAT doctrine, the problem will be eradicated, one way or another.

We don't need to have some big 'expeditionary force' on the ground there, where we blow billions more dollars that we do not have! We don't need to sent our military personnel into situations where they are merely used for target-practice, for no good reason at all. If we have learned anything about 'conflict resolution' in the past 80 years, it is that now, all (ALL) wars are won from the AIR!

 

We are not in combat in Afghanistan, it is to support the current government which is a national unity government.

 

So says the one that claims Obama and Lincoln are the worst presidents. Only white supremacists say that.

I have given my reasons, those terrorists will regroup.

 

You want one quote, but lack the energy to go find anything that tarnishes the image of "Messiah" Obama? No surprise.

Nevertheless, from NPR -- everybody's favorite hyperliberal bandwagon, you may enjoy reading this: https://www.npr.org/sections/parall...o-wars-obama-finds-himself-entangled-in-three

As recently as January 2014, Obama was still touting his troop drawdown and believed he was on the path to achieving it:

"When I took office, nearly 180,000 Americans were serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. Today, all our troops are out of Iraq. More than 60,000 of our troops have already come home from Afghanistan. With Afghan forces now in the lead for their own security, our troops have moved to a support role. Together with our allies, we will complete our mission there by the end of this year, and America's longest war will finally be over."

Of course, Obama lied about both Iraq AND Afghanistan, but at least I've given you what you were perfectly capable of finding for yourself... and there's many more, too. Did you enjoy that article about Obama's 'midnight' visit to Afghanistan in 2012? I guess not, because you avoided even acknowledging it. Again, no surprise.... Want that link again? Here ya go:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2012/05/02/obamas-midnight-deal-will-stretch-afghan-war-2024

Oh, if it helps any, I was royally pissed-off at Trump even more for not getting us totally out of either of these shitholes, either. It's even worse with Trump, really, because with all his other faults, at least he wasn't a delusional, hyperliberal moron!

 

Even EIGHTY years ago, we learned how to defeat this country's enemies relying primarily on AIR POWER....

. So, why would we need 'boots-on-the-ground' in Afghanistan...?

 

Thank you. I thought you mean before he got elected, but point taken.