Biden Weighs Deploying Thousands of Troops to Eastern Europe and Baltics

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  1. bx4

    bx4 Well-Known Member

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    Why do you think America is, or is planning to, deploy troops to Ukraine? First I’ve heard of this.
     
  2. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    The majority of voters are already voting Liberal.
     
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    And how does that pertain to the topic?
     
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    The pipeline enables Putin to cut the gas off to Ukraine while continuing to supply Germany.

    Putin’s Green Fifth Column:
    Trump fought against this pipeline that allows Putin to fuel Germany even while cutting off supplies to Ukraine, and just this month, Dems filibustered the effort by the GOP to work through the US Senate to prevent it's completion.
    It would be interesting to follow the money on that one.
    And we've all seen what that has done to prices.
    I'd like to see a complete accounting of their financial transactions.
     
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  5. US Conservative

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    5 Navy E-6 surveillance jets in the air today.

    I wonder what they are seeing?

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    Just when I think I have the left leaning posters figured out, you surprise me.

    Your pro-war "it is unthinkable to let Russia invade Ukraine" jeremiad is not what I expected from you. I had previously thought you were on the give-peace-a-chance side. Instead it seems as if you are so neo con that it's like Bill Kristol and Max Boot had a baby.

    Anyway, I am open to someone making the case why a second world kleptocracy, that had been under Moscow's thumb for most of my life without ill effects to US security, is suddenly the line in the sand that we want to risk a nuclear war over. Maybe you can enlighten me.
     
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    A nuclear war will not break out over Ukraine. That will require at the very least for one of us to attack each others soil. Letting Russia take Crimea will make us look extremely weak and provoke China to attack Taiwan
     
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    What's hard here?

    The Boeing E-6 Mercury (formerly Hermes) is an airborne command post and communications relay based on the Boeing 707. The original E-6A manufactured by Boeing's defense division entered service with the United States Navy in July 1989, replacing the EC-130Q. This platform, now modified to the E-6B standard, conveys instructions from the National Command Authority to fleet ballistic missile submarines (see communication with submarines), a mission known as TACAMO ("Take Charge And Move Out"). The E-6B model deployed in October 1998 also has the ability to remotely control Minuteman ICBMs using the Airborne Launch Control System. The E-6B replaced Air Force EC-135Cs in the "Looking Glass" role, providing command and control of U.S. nuclear forces should ground-based control become inoperable. With production lasting until 1991, the E-6 was the final new derivative of the Boeing 707 to be built.[1]

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    Boeing E-6 Mercury

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-6_Mercury
     
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    We are weak, we have a POTUS who will sit on his hands.
     
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    Dude 3rd time. The f18 replaced them

    https://www.navy.mil/Resources/Fact...t=The EA-18G Growler is,in more than 35 years.
     
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    You dont have anything but an image. Seems you took the bait, hook, line and sinker once again. :)
     
  16. Arkanis

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    Thanks, I like to surprise.

    Am I pro-war? Since when?

    In 1938, the West let Hitler invade Austria, because in the end, it wasn't a big deal and there were already many Germans there.

    Then came Czechoslovakia.

    There, the anxiety went up a notch. But the Allies didn't really get along and the US stubbornly refused to get involved.

    Then it was Poland. And there, the UK and France declared war on Germany.

    But it was too late.

    On the other side of the Pacific, the US let Japan invade China, the Philippines, Burma and all of Indonesia.

    Convinced that the US was weak, Japan launched itself on Pearl Harbor.

    It took 5 years of war and 50 million deaths to annihilate two bloodthirsty nations.

    If we let Putin invade Ukraine, it will be a green signal to China to invade Taiwan or to North Korea to enter the South.

    NATO will be destabilized and the US will lose a great deal of international credibility in its ability to limit the expansion of anti-democratic regimes.

    But maybe that's what you want.
     
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    Ok turbo. You have nothing.
     
  18. Zorro

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    They shoveled $Millions to Pelosi's son and Biden's son since Russia invaded and took Donbass and Crimea and Obama/Biden didn't do a damn thing, but, after filling the Pelosi and Biden family pockets, suddenly, securing the borders of Ukraine are an existential issue to US national security.

    Before Dementia Joe commits US troops to battle, we need a Congressional debate and vote authorizing force.
     
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  20. Arkanis

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    There is no question of sending troops into battle.

    You are talking nonsense.

    Putin wants to test NATO.

    And if we fail the test, it will be a green light for China in Taiwan or NK to invade its southern neighbor.

    The US and NATO will have lost a lot of credibility on the international scene.

    Are you able to understand the seriousness of what is going on?
     
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    Sure, the Domino theory, so clear now that Ukraine has shoveled $Millions into the various US political operators as well as Nancy Pelosi's son and Joe Biden's son, but funny thing, we didn't hear ONE PEEP about this when Russia invaded Georgia/South Ossetia, as the Obama/Biden was kicking off, we heard no tales of Dominos and the fall of Europe at the hands of an expansionist Putin.

    In 2014, when Russia invaded and took Crimea from Ukraine, again, no dire warnings of the looming global disaster if we didn't intervene, no wide eyed tales of nations falling and Putin sweeping through Europe. When Putin invaded the Donbass, again no tales of looming disaster necessitating immediate US military intervention.

    Last time Ukraine's Stingers beat the hell out of Putin's air force, junking 22 of his planes, enough that he sharply cut back on sorties. And the Javelins Trump supplied Ukraine will do a number on Putin's tanks. We've provided Ukraine with an extraordinary amount of equipment and training, tactically, they should match up very well with the Ruskies.

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    Putin can try to pretend that sanctions don't affect him, but, they do and they cost him big time. The post-Crimea sanctions, still in place, probably cost Russia 2-3% a year in GDP growth, they don't really want more. Could Russia take Ukraine? Of course, but at a price that's higher than they probably want to pay, though Putin's red line, that Ukraine will not become part of NATO is likely a real one.

    Russia was assured, when they said yes to the unification of Germany, knowing that would mean that East Germany was joining NATO that NATO would not move one inch further East, and of course we have broken that commitment repeatedly, which is why Putin is asking for the assurance in writing this time. At the time the commitment was made, they made the rather naive assumption that our word was our bond.

    So, how come the two previous incursions were did not threaten to create a wave of falling European countries, and in fact, even Ukraine has never fallen, but this incursion is existential to the US? Did some Ukrainian Oligarchs buy a bunch of Hunter's "art" or something?
     

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  22. Zorro

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    We've support Ukraine with weapons sales and training for a very long time, no one has objected to that, what is it that you are going on and on about?
     
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    Fake News. Last time Putin invaded was during the Obama/Biden Administration. During the Trump Administration, no invasions. Now Biden's back in power and here we go.

    And who is you named Administration source for the claims in your OP?
     
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    It is obvious.

    Trump has weakened NATO and was neutral with the idea of welcoming Ukraine as a member.

    He blackmailed Zelensky by trading military aid for an investigation of Biden.

    Trump has been the greatest American political ally Putin has ever had.

    So no reason to attack Ukraine.
     
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    So, Obama and Biden provoked Putin, and he attacked Ukraine, but, Trump didn't provide Putin, so he didn't attack Ukraine, but, you prefer provoking Putin? I have to be completely honest with you, you sound like a war monger with this, perhaps you were making another point but fumbled the explanation of it?

    Also, you never said who the named Administration source is for the OP. We all know that when Fake News uses Blind Sourcing it's not unusual for the claims to turn out to be bald-faced lies. Your source is paywalled, so, I'm unable to check it myself.
     
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