Billy Graham taught hatred (gays, non-believers), so I assume he's in "hell"?

I assume that if, repeat if, there is actually an all-loving, all-compassionate, always-invisible "god" who lives up in the sky somewhere that he's of course against teaching hatred to billions of his beloved "children". But that's exactly what Rev. Billy Graham did. Graham taught, endorsed, and worshipped a book/religion that teaches hatred of innocent people (gays*, all non-believers, Jews, women**, those of different ethnicities***, etc.), so he himself was likely full of hatred. Being full of hatred would be a great way to get into "hell" - if "god" is not disgustingly hateful himself, that is.

But if "god" is indeed hateful, then Billy Graham would likely be in "up in heaven".

Question: if they exist, do you think Billy is more likely in "heaven", or in "hell"?

Me, I'd think that a person who endorses hatred, such as racial selectivity*** (Hitler was also racially selective), would of course end up in "hell" (if it exists).

Your opinion?


*Graham taught utter hatred for gays (ironically, he's probably in "hell" where God/Jesus sends all the gays!): http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay/long.htm

**Graham taught hatred for women: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/women/long.html

***His boy Jesus was a racist/ethnicist: "I have only come to help [one ethnic group]", Jesus said in Mt 15:24 - even being an ethnic supremacist by turning away a woman who was not of that particular ethnic group, and instructing his followers to not teach his "best message of all time" to other ethnicities in Mt 10:6.

 

Don't be like Billy Graham - don't teach hatred.

 

Good questions.......
Dr. Billy Graham was not my primary mentor when I was young......
Mr. Garner Ted Armstrong was and I had to admit a few years ago that
there was something wrong with my world view, with my thinking... that it took me
around five years to wade through the cognitive dissonance generarted when i read
part of the near death experience account of Mr. Christian Andreason.......

.... it took a while... but the similarities between what Mr. Andreason was shown with the Sermon on the Mount
eventually became obvious........

Sincere apologies for taking 5 years to understand NDE comments on Gay Community!
September 23, 2013:

My theory is that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is allowing us to be tested......
by conflicting ideas and information.... to see if we can handle the TRUTH
which can be rather complicated!

For the record......
I strongly suspect that one of the major accomplishments planned by G-d for the LGBT
community during these Latter Days... is that they will force the Bride of Messiah the
Holy Spirit filled church..... to recognize that we have been led away from the
deep levels of truths behind the teachings of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus by pastors
and teachers who feared for their authority..... and position... and power... and wealth.......

.... because the TRUTH..... shakes up all of us from the weakest to the most powerful....


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...not-lgbt-community-were-born-that-way.472882/
Parapsychology and whether or not LGBT community were born that way?

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/gay-and-lesbian.html#a07

 

Not sure why I should bother with you, but do you have quotes where he used or implied the word "hate" of gays or non believers?

Here is a tip for you: All sexual activity outside of marriage is a sin according to the teachings of the Catholic Church. I am not going to elaborate here as to how that ties into Scripture or what that all means, but my question is --- If a teenage boy and girl engaging in hanky panky is a sin, then why would we exclude homosexual sex as sinful? And why do you insist Christians hate anyone just because they are witnessing to the truth about sinful behavior?

We do not want people to perish because of their apathy or selfishness, that is why we administer to those like them and like you.

 

I answered "Heaven" to the poll but.......
I do believe that his Life Review would not be quite as exclusively positive as many of his followers would tend to assume.......
there is a real possibility that he would do some serious soul searching during his review of every minute detail of his life.......

.... He will be shown of ways in which he could have reached even more people even more effectively......
and he will feel some guilt for having missed those opportunities.....
because all of us have fallen short of what we are capable of doing........
but his dedication and relative humility and great zeal to reach people for G-d.....

pretty much does assure him a place in one of the heavenly realms.

There are a number of them though......
but we have infinite time to get prepared to go up to higher and higher levels.....

Christian near death experiencer Pastor Bob Jones stated that he only felt comfortable in the
first level of heaven........ but that the second and third level were so energetic.......
that he felt only ready for the baby Christian first level.......



He said that Corrie Ten Boon had one of the biggest and best mansions in heaven......

 

Yes, the Bible might be a TEST - if we embrace the Bible we've failed (miserably) the test - the test was to offer us "eternal life" if we can but only embrace a book chock-full of hatred for our fellow human being - we'll embrace that book if we are selfish enough. "I'm not too concerned about all Muslims, Hindus, etc. burning forever in a lake of fire, as long as I get into heaven!" Yes, Christians seem to be about the most selfish/uncaring people imaginable, by that metric, arguably.

 

Stop defending hatred.

The LEGAL "punishment" for being gay is, uh, well, there IS NO punishment. But the barbaric savage known as God/Jesus is so disgusting that that psycho set up a system whereby gays get brutally, savagely, tortured in a "lake of fire", forever! What a sicko. And, they are excluded from the place where even MURDERERS (ones that repent, "find Jesus", serve their time, and live a good Christian life for the rest of their life) get into ("heaven")! Nothing could be more unfair.

Jesus defined marriage as between a man and a woman - the Supreme Court has recently moved beyond Jesus' hatred of gays by approving of marriages that are NOT just a man and a woman. God/Jesus is being left in the dust-bin of history.

 

In religious circles success is measured by wealth. He was very successful.

 

But Graham, being the largest US preacher during the television age, taught hatred to more people than arguably any other person in US history! If a person teaches hatred to more people than any other, then surely he'd be in "hell" (if it existed.)

Being the heroes of the #1 religion of all time (not just the US, and not just during the television age, like Graham was), GOD/JESUS would hold the record for teaching hatred to more people than anyone else in history.

 

Yet ANOTHER rich preacher:

 

Of course your understanding of theology does not advance beyond that of a cocky 8th grader.

No wonder you are so confused.

 

Perhaps if your all-powerful "god" didn't set up the system like that in the first place, then you wouldn't have to! If your invisible friend in the sky was loving and caring (he's not), he'd have said "gay is ok!", and you wouldn't need to try to "save" gays from the barbaric punishment that your psycho magic friend set up in the very first place!

Stop defending the hatred that God/Jesus has towards innocent people. Gays reproduce at a lower rate, so gays are actually HELPING the planet - so can we agree, vanityofvanitys, that gay is a good thing?

 

1. Where does it say gays get into "heaven"?
2. Have you removed 1 Cor. 6:9-10 from your Bible? Can you find the love in your heart to do that? I can, how about you?

 

Where EXACTLY am I wrong? My critics are good at ad hominems, but short on details, I find.

 

You'll note that most NDE's simply bring forward the same "god" that those people had during their lifetimes - Hindus seem to think it's "Krishna", etc. (again, simply reflecting their EXISTING RELIGIONS outlook.) That shows that NDE's are not what you'd hope they'd be.

 

If, repeat if, gays can't get into "heaven", no matter how ethical they are (say 1 Cor. 6:9-10 is indeed correct), then would you condemn God, like I do, vanityofvanitys? That would seem like the loving thing to do, obviously.

 

When the Messianic Jews and Messianic Gentile movement lost
the truth of reincarnation.............
and moved away from the understanding of eventual universal salvation.........
we took a big step toward becoming the group who would enforce the Dark Ages
and the Spanish Inquisition.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nation-was-edited-out-of-christianity.370322/
Why reincarnation was edited out of Christianity?

 

I usually ignore distasteful threads, but for some reason I felt inclined to let you know that your OP is such.

 

Or... is it possible that Krishna might have been another
great teacher up there in a similar league with the Jewish prophets....??

Fifteen year old Israeli near death experiencer Natan met a famous Israeli Rabbi who
had recently passed on........
I think that it is pretty logical that somebody would meet a major teacher from
their part of the world or from their people group if these NDE's
are actually a glimpse of a couple of higher dimensions of space - time.

 

So then you apparently approve of teaching hatred to billions of people like Billy Graham did, steveo? Can you at least condemn Graham for promoting a book that says gays are so awful that they should be killed (Leviticus) and also can't get into heave (just for being gay - 1 Cor. 6:9-10)? Can we at least agree on that?

 

The 1st Commandment doesn't approve of OTHER gods.....

 

You just don't get it, do you?

 

FYI: MOSES is likely in "hell", as well, because that psycho had 3000 (that's a bit more than even OSAMA killed on 9/11) people slaughtered because he heard voices ("god") in his head.
In America, we generally put people who hear voices in their heads into mental institutions - not give them the "most important message of all time" (the 10 Commandments.)

 

True......
but if there are indeed seven levels to heaven......
the people who make it up to the highest levels will be very different than they were while human.

https://www.near-death.com/science/research/city-of-light.html#a02

 

One near death experiencer in six meets previously deceased pets during the first part of their out of the body experience......

This is especially true in the case of children who could be terrified of finding their consciousness outside their bodies......
Howard Storm Ph.D. was totally freaked out to find that his mind continued on after his death......

Many near death experiencers meet previously deceased relatives......
It is only in about thirty percent or so of near death experiences where somebody gets to the place of the full fledged Life Review.....

If you take the time to read chapter 10 of Christian Andreason's NDE you will almost certainly
read a pretty good answer to many of your own questions........ This chapter truly astonished me.....

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/