Birth rate decline, abortions and Democrats.

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  1. Matthewthf

    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So I don't know how true this is but CBS News has released a story claiming America has been in a decline in baby births for a long time now and calls it a crisis. The article goes on to say something about elderly people needing security and I lose interest.

    It sounds like made up fear mongering to me but it's also hypocrasy for a left leaning news site to complain about people not having babies. They are not the only ones. AOC had something to say to in response to CBS.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) Tweeted:
    The actual crisis is how entire generations are sunk w/inhumane levels of student debt, low incomes, high rent, no guarantee of healthcare & little action on climate change which creates a situation where feeling stable enough to have a kid can feel more like a luxury than a norm https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1367213849963859968?s=20

    Sounds like she is just making stuff up.
    Now I'm confused. So the Democrats or some of them want us to have more babies? They support RoevsWade (the movie comes out soon) and planned Parenthood. I would think PP would be responsible for declining birthrates with so many women murdering babies.

    Here is the facts.

    https://www.frc.org/issuebrief/the-real-planned-parenthood-leading-the-culture-of-death-2015-edition

    354,871 babies murdered in 2019 by PP. Up by almost 10,000 abortions from 2018. 972 babies aborted every single day in 2019. PP had almost 60% of abortions in 2018.

    https://www.all.org/learn/abortion/abortion-statistics/

    1973-2018 over 60 million babies have been murdered and not just from PP. Over 80% of those said to be black or Hispanic.

    PP donates millions to the Democrats and the Democrats try to win over female voters with the lie "her body her choice" as if a living breathing developing baby at 3 weeks old does not have a choice. Now they want to complain about women not having babies?

    I would think abortions would be the decline in birth rates if there is any actuall decline. Why won't the Democrats admit this? Why now are they screaming about about birth declines?

    Let's tell people to get abortions and then tell them to have more babies...

    Are the Democrats and left really this stupid?
     
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    Where's the link to the CBS story?
     
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    This is how the democrats are going to justify their open boarders moment to stock up on reliable voters....
     
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    Dems want as many people as possible here from other countries (preferably third world ones) and they want Americans to abort their children as quickly as possible. Go figure.
     
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    Who is telling people to get abortions? Legal abortion is an option for women. Nobody is forcing anybody to get an abortion they don't want.
     
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    How is this story "hypocrisy for a left leaning news site to complain about people not having babies."? How is reporting lower birthrates among younger generation some type of hypocrisy? Should the media just ignore what researchers are saying? It's up to the reader to be alarmed by the report. I'm not.
    Clearly the decline in birthrates is due to smaller families than in the past and more people not being interested in having kids. Especially when a reason is due to not being able to afford having kids. Personally I think that is more responsible than having a bunch of kids and relying on welfare for support.
     
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    The U.S. birth rate has been declining for years and abortions are down at pre ROE v. Wade levels. The sperm viability rate for American males is at it's lowest level in decades as more American citizens are dying off each year than are being born. These are not secrets they have been well reported. If we are to remain relative in the world we need more immigrants not less. As it is Nigeria is soon expected to exceed the USA as the third most populated country in the world.
     
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    The Democrats make abortions sound easy and great. PP is a Democratic organization and if a women gets pregnant she is encouraged to have a abortion if she does not want a child as if there is no other alternative.
     
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    It is the right wing who are constantly bringing up the topic of abortion not the left.
     
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    What is your evidence women are encouraged to have an abortion?
     
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    Women are not solely encouraged to get abortions. They are usually counseled on all the options available to them and are allowed to make the choice they want.

    What do you think happens to unwanted pregnancies when a woman is forced to give birth?

    Adoption? Statistically, most children in orphans will NOT be adopted.
    Foster care? They will be bounced from home to home until they reach the age of majority in their state.

    What about this mother?

    GRAPHIC: Ohio mom tried to abandon 6-year-old son before killing him, court documents say
    https://www.kcrg.com/2021/03/01/pol...ut-in-river-mother-and-her-boyfriend-charged/

    The reality is there is almost NO support for a woman or her child after she gives birth. I understand why some people are against abortion, but I don't understand why a life only *matters* while its in the womb. Until we, as a society, stop being judgmental, unhelpful and ignorant of the daily stressors that can negatively impact a parent's life (and thereby, potentially harmful results on their child/ren) we have no right to decide when they should bring another life into the world.
     
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    I think theres some 'reading between the lines' required here. Our society and economy depend on population growth. But also depend on productive citizens. What I think is being said here without literally being said is that we need more responsible, competent people to reproduce and raise competent, responsible children. What is increasingly happening is folks are having kids before they're prepared, mentally and financially, to raise them properly. The folks who should be having kids arent, and the folks who should not have kids are having many. But since that isn't PC, no establishment publication can actually say so.

    And FTR, no, I dont believe this is a problem that warrants a coercive solution. But it is something that responsible, productive people should be aware of when planning out their life. We need more 'good' people, and only YOU can make them! ;D
     
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    If one doesn't support having an abortion, don't have one. Even if abortion rights are limited by big government conservatives, the rich and the middle-class women can always afford to get an abortion here or abroad, not so for the poor.
     
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    What is a "good" person?
    Who makes that criteria?
    Who has the right to decide who is *fit* to have a child and who isn't?

    By the way, I don't disagree that people need to be more responsible about bringing children into the world. However, I'm hesitant to have that done by some arbitrary list of "qualities" that deem some people are *worth* having children and some are not.
     
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    None of that matters, unless we're going to try to be coercive about fixing it, which we shouldn't. Its for individual interpretation only.
     
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    Declining birth rate is a good thing. The goal should be a steady state economy not addicted to continual economic growth.
     
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    Democrats are not stupid. I agree with you on the illegal immigration issue, but on abortion, I have to go with the Dems for 2 reasons:

    1. While I am against abortion, using government to force my beliefs on others is much worse.
    2. Abortion laws failed long before the internet and abortion drugs. There is no way to enforce such laws and they will end up causing more harm than good.
     
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    A person can be in favor of making sure people have money to start families and be in favor of family planning. The two are literally the same thing. A person can totally be in favor of access to abortions because there's another way to increase population-immigration. I'm not sure what the OP is getting at.
     
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    Who the hell is telling anyone to get an abortion??? I would be willing to bet that as many on the right get abortions as those on the left, or damn close to it.
     
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    And of course the break up of the nuclear family where we hope to produce children. Women putting careers over family delaying birth even if they plan to so that when they do it becomes more difficult. What ever you think about it we used to raise our children such that family was the most important thing, family above everything. And that was to create children and or next generations. To sacrifice to do so putting our children ahead of ourselves. Now that is just one option. It's OK and for some even better to put themselves before family and children.

    So now what do we do?
     
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    Not happening.
     
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    The Democrats do support abortions. PP is full of Democrats.

    Now Democrats want to increase the population after decreasing it through PP.
     
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    The media and the left wants to decrease our population with abortions and now they say we should increase it?

    Yeah because abortion is murder and it needs to stop. Over 60 million human beings killed.

    That's genocide.
     
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    Nope, we support the CHOICE, but if a woman CHOOSES to NOT have an abortion we think that is just fine.
     

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