Black Culture Pathology, What to do?

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Just list the ones you are talking about instead of something that did not.
     
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    That’s easy. Let’s assume for a moment we get what you want and we remove all firearms from the populace. Let’s then assume that a tyrannical dictator takes power. A person who has no problem wiping out entire swaths of the population. Say someone like Stalin.

    Remind me again, how many people did Stalin murder and intentionally starve in order to force them to capitulate to his reign?
     
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    Hi again, ShadowX.

    An amusing, and expected 'What if?'

    Meanwhile, the carnage continues, with the best guess at the current rate of one person in the US dying from gunshot every 12 minutes.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.
     
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    Why would it be amusing?

    You’re being short sighted. You can’t simply look at the issue you’re solving by changing the policy. You have to look at the CONSEQUENCES of that change in policy to determine whether or not the risk is worth the reward.

    Without knowing or at least considering both, it is an impossibility to make an intelligent decision because you’re ignoring the consequences of your actions outside of the direct problem you’re addressing.
     
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    Hi once again, ShadowX.

    An intelligent, prudent individual [Ed.: or government, dude,] assesses relative risk and puts resources where they will minimize overall danger. It's why we don't see the vast majority of people going about with meteor-proof hats.

    The United States of America has a number of safeguards against a Stalin-type of dictatorship. Unfortunately, we also have a significant percent of our voting population which is agreeable to authoritarian rule.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
     
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    Black lies totally matter. Just look at all blm, and antifa has done for blacks?

    Riots, burning down buildings, killing cops, buying million dollar houses for the people who work for them.
    Allowing some blacks to steal and get away with it.

    Wait, all of that makes blacks look bad. lol. Especially, the hard working ones with jobs, that are good people.
     
  7. Mr.Incognito

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    No, it doesn't. I didnt make any blacks in know and work with look bad.
     
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    It didn't make any blacks I know and work with look bad.
     
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    And "not very bright" is a good measure of your own wisdom and perception. Fact is that blacks murder 4 times their population share compared to any other race. Particularly- they murder other blacks. The most likely killer of a black person IS a black person. The criminal excess is similar in armed robbery and most felony crimes. If the sizes of the population were equal- the crimes per capita would remain the same.
    Here's a chart on felonious assault- physical attacks. Seems chances of a white person being assaulted by a black person is 42 times greater than the reverse. From- US Bureau of justice statistics.


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    There's a multitude of hard data for a wide range of anti-social conduct. about 70% of black kids grow up in single family homes, for example. Good fathers and solid homes are the exception, not the rule, in the black community. I've heard the excuses, because I've asked black men I felt were intelligent why this was true. I usually didn't get intelligent answers. One told me that slaves they were bred to be studs, and produce as many babies as possible- not to stay and make families. However, his ancestors were not slaves, they immigrated afterwards... but he supports the excuse. Up until he did, I thought he was a pretty intelligent man.

    So long as the responsible, honorable people in the black community continue to excuse the irresponsible and violent people among them and blame the rest of the country for their actions- nothing will improve. In fact, by maintaining that attitude, they are actually promoting racism while the rest of the nation has virtually eliminated it. Worst racists of today- by far- are black.

    Too many see the cry of racism like a "Get out of jail free" card, and their color a permit excluding them from personal and community responsibility. At this point in history- the black community IS crafting it's own image and future, but refuses to learn from and recognize it's own best leadership and follows the path of denial and hate. That is their choice, not something they are forced to do. While it can be said we are all our own worst enemies- nowhere is that truer than in the black community.
     
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    That particular discussion was about interracial killing not same race killing.

    But if you want to deal with why the world is the way it is:

     
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    You're saying you want to restrict discussion to facts that support your side of the argument?
    The 42 to one prevalence of interracial assaults by blacks is also irrelevant, right?

    Wrong. IF you really want to improve things, you have to recognize reality- and you have to start where you are at.
    Acknowledging the real problems, the real positions are the tools that shape real solutions- ones that will work, instead of ones you want to hear that won't.
    Anything less is a self-serving fantasy and will only perpetuate the problems. .
     
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    Why are whites trying to figure out black problems when they have enough issues of their own? You've quoted black on white statistics but not white on white statistics. 85% of all violent crimes against whites are committed by other whites. So, why are you pointing out statistics of the lesser ?
     
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    While were at it, why not exclude race and point to gender? Males commit the most crime.
    It's not like you can apply a solution to either one. Race or gender, so why dwell on it?
     
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    I am saying that was a response to what was previously said and you chose to take it in a different direction for your own purposes. I grew up in a Black neighborhood referred to as The Projects. If you want to presume to tell me what goes on there I certainly cannot stop you. But don't be surprised if I ignore you.

    I had some white teacher tell me I would get into a good high school but I would not do well. I got straight A's in math and won a National Merit Scholarship. But the only reason I trust white people to tell me the time of day is because it is so easy to check.
     
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    Don't know where you got that number, but I've looked over a lot of federal crime stats and seen nothing that would support that.
    Try looking up the statistics in the FBI and justice department files. the black population is 13%, but commits 53% of all murders. The graph in an earlier post dealt with the disparity in felony assaults.
    Your number says crime is about proportionate to population share, the justice department data says not.

    The importance is the disproportionate share of crimes that come from the black community; how that reflects on all blacks and retards their capacity to blend with society.
    The point is that for the black community to be seen as equal citizens, they need to behave as equal citizens. When they will not- they create the images that identify them, and creates what many people want to label racism. You can't hold the title for most violent and irresponsible and demand to be seen as peaceful and responsible. That shouldn't be hard to understand, and the perception of that isn't racism, it's objective observation and good sense.
     
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    Well- I used to be a building contractor, and part of an alliance that built a type of project- 100 new brick family homes, in 180 days. Individual quality homes with subsidized rents for the low income at about 90% off normal market. We approached this feeling we were doing something good for the community, and built quality homes. I've seen what happened to those properties. All the people in charge were black- as were all the residents moving in. Dealt with the black promoters and federal representatives that were behind it. Went back to review conditions at the end of the project, toured 10 vacant homes.... and found 9 of the 10 so damaged in less than 6 months they needed major restoration. The facts were downright ugly. I've seen the attitudes, the destruction, the resentment of there being rules, such as no drug dealing allowed. One of those houses was a murder scene, blood still on the walls. Another had 113 holes in the living room wall, where a resident got angry and used a baseball bat- and in every room of the house. Another threw a running hose in the window before he left. The black management told us that proved the floors were bad and we had to replace all of them. So- I've been to the "project", seen what happens there. Also know who is responsible for it. I, like all the others who joined together to do this- regretted we ever considered it in the first place. Waste of time and energy, trying to help people who thought it was owed to them.

    I've also known some very fine black people- excellent friends, customers and employees. Every group has their good and bad people; it's the proportion of character that differentiates how a group is seen. That's a matter of culture, not nature, it can be changed- but only the black people can change the black people. So long as they blame their problems on others and refuse to face them, so long as they carry that advance prejudice- and raise their kids to carry it- they will accomplish nothing. Other than they may well revive genuine racism.

    If you are conditioned to enter any relationship with a chip on your shoulder- you have set the stage for what follows, and you are telling me you carry that chip. No doubt,you feel the result- and blame that on others too. When I meet a black person, I will give them the same respect I would give any man upfront-. Then, it's up to them. Those who are sure they will be discriminated against will be; because they expect it and seek to prove it; their initial behavior insures they won't be seen as honorable men. That's their choice- as is blaming that on others for resenting their hostility. Everyone gets a chance- but if you blow the first impression, your identity will be seen the way you paint it. And that applies to all colors. What you do affects the way your group is seen; what the group does affects the way each individual is seen. That can't be changed by law or anything, it's just the way it is. You can do your part to make the perception of your group positive or negative. Your choice.
     
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    What % of the overall Black population has ever committed a murder? Please give us a number.
    And while you're at it, please do a little research on white on white crime . You'll see I'm correct.
     
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    You seem to unaware how much data is there.
    The table below to start- then, a link to a larger one, then a link to the whole series.
    You can research to your hearts content and try to prove that black people do not lead the crime charts.At the very bottom is the link to all charts with a wide variety of views. FBI crime stats. Knock yourself out.

    First- here's a cut from the top of table 43a, showing the total arrests by race.
    Blacks account for 36% of all arrests of all races other than blacks- but blacks make up only 13% of population. That's almost triple their proportionate share.

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    In Table 6, you can see that of 2925 black murder victims- 2600 of them were killed by blacks. That means over 90% of black murders are committed by black murderers .

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    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/ (all tables index)
     
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    Lol, I like how you just glanced over the first line of table 6. 3316 white victims killed by 2267 white muders. But then again, thanks for proving my point.
    I asked you what percentage of blacks have actually committed a murder. You avoided both direct questions I asked you for some reason.
     
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    I didn't avoid your question; I've not found a documented source based on that particular parameter. I would like to know too, and it may have relevance in the overall perspective.
    However, the numbers in those charts do show clearly that murders committed by blacks are highly disproportionate to population when compared to murders by all others.
    So what ever that percentage you ask for is, it probably is again the equivalent multiple of the same percentage of other races. Unless of course, you wish to think that black murderers kill large numbers of victims each, in which case the "percentage" of murderers in their population would decrease. Do you think that? No, I doubt you do. But it appears you want to find some number that counters the documented numbers and does not reflect the excesses the data we have does. You're looking for a way to alter the perception in spite of the facts.

    I'm not anti-black here- I'm anti-murder and crime. I'm anti-violence and social instability and anything that prevents our nation from thriving. For the black community to be seen in the same plane as others, it simply has to be able to behave to similar levels of civility.

    I have decades of business ownership behind me. I can tell you that if an employer hired his first black employee and they were a standout success, he would be looking for another. If they were all outstanding, every black applicant would have a big advantage walking in the door; because we will associate conduct and qualities with common denominators that they have. People's character is individual, but the group they belong to or come from has a character too, which is seen as the characteristics more common in that group- and that will be seen before individual characteristics can be considered. Recognizing these common characteristics is not racism, it's common sense. You know the difference between a butterfly and a black widow by the group they belong to, and you react to each one differently because you know what that group is known for. First impressions start right there.

    The answer to the black community being seen as less violent is for them to become less violent. To be seen as being anything- more responsible, more civil, etc- same thing.
    It's their choice. Nobody can do that for them. If they can't find a way to lift their culture to higher levels of civility- they will not gain, and every member of that community will to some extent have less opportunity.
     
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    Don't this beat all?





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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/missouri-pastor-rips-disgusting-churchgoers-073541175.html

    Missouri Pastor Rips 'Disgusting' Churchgoers Who Didn't Buy Him A Fancy Watch

    . . . The clip featured Carlton Funderburke, senior pastor at Kansas City’s Church at The Well, telling churchgoers they were “cheap sons and daughters” for not honoring their pastor by buying him a Movado watch.

    “I don’t want to hear no more excuses about what you can’t afford. You can’t afford it because you don’t see the value here,” Funderburke said as he pointed toward the front of his church. “Y’all hear from y’all pastor and father, I’m over y’all. I’m over your cheap expressions. See that’s how I know you’re still poor, broke, busted and disgusted because of how you’ve been honoring me.”

    Some churchgoers could be heard cheering for Funderburke during the rant.
    . . .


    Jesus never got a high priced watch!


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    Some one
    Even a Liberal

    PLEASE
    Explain "it" to me.
     
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    to democrat politicians, their media, and democrats in America, to say anything negative, that could be geared towards their Agenda, is an attack on them, or whatever they say. Thus, if anyone says anything truthful, and exposes them, such as 2-3rds of the prison system in America is Black or hispanic, is not only racist, but for some odd reason, only happens, because all Americans are racists, and it's their faults, but also, because all Cops are racists, and it's their faults.

    You see, if a black or hispanic rapests, and murderers, or commits a crime in America, it's perfectly ok to Democrat Politicians, as long as they get the vote.
     

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